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AIBU?

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To be concerned this childcare is making DS insecure and sensitive?

216 replies

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 22:47

We are close friends with a couple who have a 6 yr old son. The father works full time, late nights because of his industry. The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also. She travels perhaps once a fortnight and is often away for a whole week. Se enjoys her work hugely and the lifestyle that comes with it and doesn't want to give that up.

Their DS is cared for by grandmother and grandfather, and sometimes aunt and uncle. I would say the grandmother and aunt are the main carers in this child's life. He hardly sees mother and father due to work. It has been like this since birth.

As we watch him grow up, he is becoming more and more sensitive, insecure and unsure of himself. He gets extremely distressed for example if his aunt or grandmother show attention or affection to another child. He doesn't have this reaction when it's his mother.

When I talk to them about DS they say it's wonderful he has so many people around him showing him love. I agree that is a wonderful thing, except I think he doesn't feel loved by his mother or father - or at least not as much as he needs. And the love he gets from grandmother and aunt is beginning to be held back a little to try and redress the balance and let him know 'his mother is his mother'.

All in all I think he is confused, and while he gets lots of sporadic love and attention from a large group of adults, he has no one person who is his main 'mother/father figure', who gives continuity and therefore security.

Our children spend a lot of time with their son and increasingly he is showing sensitive and/or jealous behaviour around my children. I don't want to stop being friends but beginning to dread spending time with them because of it.

OP posts:
Bonsoir · 12/02/2012 10:08

Actually, I see quite a lot of children with relationship issues because they just don't get enough parental attention and that may or may not be because the parents are working very hard. Nonetheless, work, and particularly extensive work-related travel, is an issue.

I stay away from families like this because I have absolutely nothing in common with them - even when they have been very close friends in a past life.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 10:28

I typed out a long post with tons of questions and pointing out inconsistencies but it isn't worth the effort to put it here.

This is just not making sense. On loads of levels.

ssd · 12/02/2012 11:40

agree bonsoir

if you have nothing in common with another family, no need to stay friends

parenting does bring out our differences, doesn't it

callmemrs · 12/02/2012 11:46

Hathor- not sure I believe a word of it either

HoneyandHaycorns · 12/02/2012 11:58

if you have nothing in common with another family, no need to stay friends

Quite. No need to bitch about them on an Internet forum. However, in this case, I rather suspect that the friends are hypothetical. Wink

MardyArsedMidlander · 12/02/2012 13:15

'Sfunny- when people also go on about 'traditional' ways of raising childre- that for an awful lot of children around the world, this IS the traditional way to be raised- by a range of different family members, while other family members go out and work to support the rest of the family.. In the Philipinnes for example, I know many women who go and work overseas so they can pay for their children to go to school and have a decent life. The children are brought up by grandparents.

However... NAIL BARS? Shopping? Range Rover? She is therefore obviously a heartless biyatch who does not deserve a womb. HTH.

scottishmummy · 12/02/2012 13:23

he has two parents
you assume them to be emotionally absent
clearly you have an agenda about working parents and this is your wee dig
your terms are emotive gibberish and you think hes confused
bet wee boy hasnt said any of what you assume
if you think so little of this family, gently drop contact dont remain in touch

Laquitar · 12/02/2012 13:26

A 6yo will be bored playing with a 3yo and a 2yo. What you call 'insecurity' could be plain old fashion boredom.

A 6yo can sense it when a grown up observe him and psychoanalyze him so he gets uncomfortable and behaves odd. You would feel the same OP if someone visited you every day to observe you.

I feel sorry for the boy because it seems like you are trying to find faults with his personality and to attach labels. Sad. It would be better for everyone imo if you keep some distance.

scottishmummy · 12/02/2012 13:26

and it cuts both ways i wouldnt be friends with a precious moments mama
i have no desire to be acquainted with someone who think im outsourcing and my children are whey faced and neglected.

fortunately i know no such people

Laquitar · 12/02/2012 13:34

Just to add, if you really care then how about encouraging the gps to take the child to clubs and activity and have some 'playdates' with children of his own age?

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 12/02/2012 13:41

Tis bollox
HTH

HoneyandHaycorns · 12/02/2012 13:50

Has the OP gone?

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 13:56

Oh yes I think the OP has long gone

But I couldn't possibly comment on to where, as that would breach talk guidelines and would get me deleted.

HoneyandHaycorns · 12/02/2012 14:01
Grin
hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 14:02
Grin
yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 19:17

I've just logged on to read today's posts though I don't know why. Some of the responses have stunned me. I am not 'bitching' about anyone! I can see however that I am be quite judgey about their choices, but that just stems from not being about to understand why they don't spend any time with their child.

If I thought it worthwhile I would explain all your queries but this conversation/post has deteriorated to such an extent the initial purpose of it is lost.

Again, why on earth would someone go online and fabricate a story? What on earth would they gain? I have no hidden agenda nor do I have an issue with working parents.

Let's just leave it here please.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 12/02/2012 20:09

Your tone is why have em if you let strangers watch them,you've started from premise of childcare= neglectful absent parents

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 12/02/2012 20:13

OP "AIBU?!
Loads of posters "OP YABU"
OP " No I'm NBU and I don't want to talk about it anymore so ner"
Right Hmm

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 20:17

No hobnobs, fine lots of posters think IABU. That's ok and understood. I think we should leave it here because it's all getting very aggressive and not productive anymore.

OP posts:
yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 20:19

Scottish, you have made HUGE assumptions.

OP posts:
SalmeMurrikAgain · 12/02/2012 20:23

OP, I can see where you are coming from and I'm sorry you took a flaming. Still, if you dare to suggest that money and careers and being busy aren't hugely important question someone else's parenting choices, that is what you'll get here, I'm afraid.

Salme is Scottish too, but everyone has to be born somewhere, I suppose Sad

scottishmummy · 12/02/2012 20:25

On the contrary,your psychobabble and assumptions about the boy and his family are quite unpleasant. Methinks you've have some enduring issues and prejudices that you're foisting onto the 6 yo

Goldenbear · 12/02/2012 20:27

scottish, if that's what the OP meant why wouldn't she just say it?

OP, I understand your view and I don't think it equates to a 1950's way of thinking. I think it is a lazy insult from those who are projecting!

scottishmummy · 12/02/2012 20:32

Well op concedes she's "judgey" about he family choices eg child care it's pretty apparent
She's suggesting poor attachment and emotionally distant parents.and lots other psychobabble about security

Goldenbear · 12/02/2012 20:36

In real life though it must be unpleasant to watch the boy been rejected by both parents. It's not about the politics of woman working/staying at home, it is about a real child that seemingly is not a priority in his mothers or father's life, that must be diffucult to see as a friend, difficult not to judge, difficult to see how it is going to work out well for this boy.