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To be concerned this childcare is making DS insecure and sensitive?

216 replies

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 22:47

We are close friends with a couple who have a 6 yr old son. The father works full time, late nights because of his industry. The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also. She travels perhaps once a fortnight and is often away for a whole week. Se enjoys her work hugely and the lifestyle that comes with it and doesn't want to give that up.

Their DS is cared for by grandmother and grandfather, and sometimes aunt and uncle. I would say the grandmother and aunt are the main carers in this child's life. He hardly sees mother and father due to work. It has been like this since birth.

As we watch him grow up, he is becoming more and more sensitive, insecure and unsure of himself. He gets extremely distressed for example if his aunt or grandmother show attention or affection to another child. He doesn't have this reaction when it's his mother.

When I talk to them about DS they say it's wonderful he has so many people around him showing him love. I agree that is a wonderful thing, except I think he doesn't feel loved by his mother or father - or at least not as much as he needs. And the love he gets from grandmother and aunt is beginning to be held back a little to try and redress the balance and let him know 'his mother is his mother'.

All in all I think he is confused, and while he gets lots of sporadic love and attention from a large group of adults, he has no one person who is his main 'mother/father figure', who gives continuity and therefore security.

Our children spend a lot of time with their son and increasingly he is showing sensitive and/or jealous behaviour around my children. I don't want to stop being friends but beginning to dread spending time with them because of it.

OP posts:
WorraLiberty · 12/02/2012 00:40

Nail bar?

Nail bar??

Nail bar???

The fucking selfish cow!

That's what's wrong with the kids of today, their Mothers visited nail bars.....

WorraLiberty · 12/02/2012 00:42

Liberty, you're missing some info , read my posts

No really I've read them all and I think you're coming across as quite jealous, bitter, presumptious and like you think you're a better parent than the woman you're slagging off.

MrsBeakman · 12/02/2012 00:43

I don't think the OP has contradicted herself at all. Working as an artist wouldn't rule out being able to shop and go to nail bars too.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:44

You might find life a little easier OP if you got off your high horse. You come across as jealous and judgemental.

Are they really friends or is this a family situation you're changing the details of?

LibrarianByDay · 12/02/2012 00:45

The OP ceratinly said " I wonder whether I want to be friends with someone this selfish.", which I would read as suggesting she might wish to end the friendship. So I can certainly see some contradiction.

Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:46

I feel like this thread is missing something...

Oh yes... The word martyr Wink

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 00:47

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OP posts:
hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:48

How can you be really close friends with someone and only have seen the child with his parents 5 or 6 times in his life? And if you've only seen the child with his parents 5 or 6 times in his life how the fuck can you make such massive judgements about how the child feels towards his parents and whether or not he feels loved and secure?

LibrarianByDay · 12/02/2012 00:52

I hope the OP realises that, having had 3 children herself, the chances are that at least one of them will end up being over-sensitive about whether she loves them as much as the other two.

Thumbwitch · 12/02/2012 00:54

I really don't see why some of you think the OP is jealous - it's not coming across like that to me. To me, it seems that she is mentioning the more frivolous things that the other mother does out of incomprehension that she prefers to do those things than be with her son.

I don't get bitter from her either - I get that she is concerned about her family friends' child, who she sees pretty much daily, although very rarely with his actual parents. Isn't it normal to be concerned about a child if you think they are unhappy? yes, she might not have the right reason for his unhappiness, but she's concerned!

Yes, she's judging the other parents by her own standards and failing to understand why they don't do the same as she does, and that is judgemental - but jealous and bitter? nah.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:56

But Thumb when I've re-read the op's posts, it seems like she's more a family friend than actually friends with the mother or father of this child.

So she wouldn't know what goes on really with his parents if she's only seen him with them 5 or 6 times in his life and he's 6 years old - so she only sees him with his parents once a year????

And on that she's making massive assumptions and judgements.

WhereEaglesDare · 12/02/2012 00:56

You are being flamed here,maybe-probably-your intention is good but the wording in op is not as positive and therefore you do come across very negative and judgemental.
If you know each other for so many years, i can assume you can talk openly about anything really. As a good friend, next time when you see her or you go for a coffee tell her that she has got a wonderful little ds,very clever and gentle, and tell her that you notice that he became very sensitive...speak to her,because sometimes extra quality 30min per day when she is around,can make a huge difference on the boy.
Maybe she doesn't know that he is feeling the way he is, so as a friend you should speak to her in a direct but gentle way....mention that maybe it's just a period kids go through....
We,all of us, should't judged on our financial,material situation. That was not important for us to know....
Good luck...

WhereEaglesDare · 12/02/2012 01:00

And keep to the same story-you did mentioned that you don't know how you will continue friendship,which to me indicates you are considering ending it....

ssd · 12/02/2012 01:02

op, I totally agree with you and I understand your concern

the only option you have is to let your dc play with the other dc or try to get a bit of a distance if you can't see eye to eye on how you want your kids to be brought up

I read on here yonks ago someone describing parents, they said the first kind think of their family like a picture with parents as the frame and kids in the middle, the second parents have the kids as the frame and the parents still centre stage in the middle

and of course it affects the kids, they usually grow up more attention seeking/insecure than a child who knows he'll see one or both of his parents every day

try to ignore the vitriol thrown at you by a lot of posters here, you seem to have ruffled a lot of feathers, maybe some posters should look at why they are getting so incensed at your anonymous post.....

Thumbwitch · 12/02/2012 01:03

YY hathor - but that's not really what I was talking about in my post - and I did agree that she has been judgemental about the set-up.
Mind you, if you think about it, if you'd known a child for 6y, seen him almost daily and almost never with his own parents, isn't that a little "odd" in its own right? yes, she has no real knowledge of how he behaves with them (apart from saying that he doesn't seem to be jealous of his mother giving attention to other children where he IS coming across as jealous of his grandmother doing the same) - but I'm not sure that's what the OP's point was.

Anyway - I have to go and do some RL stuff now so will catch up later.

HoneyandHaycorns · 12/02/2012 01:08

Doesn't ring true to me at all, sorry OP.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 01:08

To be it reads like a family friend who isn't really friends with the mother and father.

But I could be wrong.

But the OP posted in AIBU and she is BU

IMHO

callmemrs · 12/02/2012 09:00

You have only seen this child 5 or 6 times in his life with his parents, so that's about once per year, and yet you have this huge 'knowledge' about how he relates to them, whether it's the childcare arrangement which is causing him to be insecure, what his mother gets up to each day....

You are talking out yer arse to put it bluntly.

Some children are jealous or insecure when they've been Exclusively looked after by a parent at home. Some children are emotionally in tune and well balanced when they've been in nursery/ with a nanny/ childminder or indeed with a SAHM.

Sounds like you have your own issues tbh if you can't help being so judgemental and presumptiousl

my2centsis · 12/02/2012 09:11

Agree with mentalmuslimmummy

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 09:36

Why is it all down to the mother, my2? Why is it not to do with the father?

How can the OP make such massive assumptions when she has only seen the wee boy once a year with his mother and father?

There is something about this, on re-reading it this morning, that doesn't ring true - not saying the T word, but I think the relationship between the OP and the "friend" has been misrepresented.

PattiMayor · 12/02/2012 09:43

Since when did a 6YO play with kids who are 1,2 and 3? And if he's six, presumably he's at school for pretty much all his waking hours. I call total bolleaux

porcamiseria · 12/02/2012 09:48

YABU for judging the mum, not the dad
YANBU to suspect child may be a bit unhappy
I do wonder why people have kids if they never see them

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 09:53

I just don't necessarily believe, porca, that the OP knows. How can she when she's only seen the wee boy with his parents on average once a year?

We aren't being told the right story here there's some fudging going on, I'd bet my last rolo on it.

Quattrocento · 12/02/2012 09:56

YABU

DH and I have worked full-time since the DCs were born. They are not insecure, particularly sensitive and have never demonstrated jealousy of any child other than the other sibling. How dare you assume that this alleged sensitivity and jealous behaviour is due to childcare? And frankly how dare you stand in judgement over your friends working?

One person's greed (for that is how you have portrayed it) is another person's industriousness.

LaBoccaDellaVerita · 12/02/2012 10:02

This story does not pass the sniff test. That is all.