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To be concerned this childcare is making DS insecure and sensitive?

216 replies

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 22:47

We are close friends with a couple who have a 6 yr old son. The father works full time, late nights because of his industry. The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also. She travels perhaps once a fortnight and is often away for a whole week. Se enjoys her work hugely and the lifestyle that comes with it and doesn't want to give that up.

Their DS is cared for by grandmother and grandfather, and sometimes aunt and uncle. I would say the grandmother and aunt are the main carers in this child's life. He hardly sees mother and father due to work. It has been like this since birth.

As we watch him grow up, he is becoming more and more sensitive, insecure and unsure of himself. He gets extremely distressed for example if his aunt or grandmother show attention or affection to another child. He doesn't have this reaction when it's his mother.

When I talk to them about DS they say it's wonderful he has so many people around him showing him love. I agree that is a wonderful thing, except I think he doesn't feel loved by his mother or father - or at least not as much as he needs. And the love he gets from grandmother and aunt is beginning to be held back a little to try and redress the balance and let him know 'his mother is his mother'.

All in all I think he is confused, and while he gets lots of sporadic love and attention from a large group of adults, he has no one person who is his main 'mother/father figure', who gives continuity and therefore security.

Our children spend a lot of time with their son and increasingly he is showing sensitive and/or jealous behaviour around my children. I don't want to stop being friends but beginning to dread spending time with them because of it.

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Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:04

Kitchen roll... The mother was working full time in the OP...

She only started having shopping trips
After op was told she was being unreasonable Wink

LibrarianByDay · 12/02/2012 00:06

Perhaps if people weren't gossiping about his inadequate parents the child in question wouldn't be so sensitive. Perhaps the OP herself is to blame for his sensitivity because of the way she acts around him, or because her children have picked up that this is how she feels and have let the child know - children can be very quick to let another child know if they have one up on them, and 6 would be the perfect age for this behavior to start. Would explain his reaction to his grandmother cuddling her children, wouldn't it?

Just a thought.

letseatgrandma · 12/02/2012 00:07

It doesn't sound like you and the mother are actually friends!?

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 12/02/2012 00:08

Yes but working in a way that shows she would rather do that than spend time bringing up her child because it's out of choice not need.

Sorry, but I can't understand why anyone would have a child and then choose to work full time out of preference and leave the country at least once a fortnight knowing that the child was being left with someone who is not a parent.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:12

Maybe because she's chuffed off sitting at home?

Maybe because she has an unfulfilled need and is a damn good artist and her husband and her have decided that it's her time to shine? (which is a wanktastic phrase but you know what I mean)

None of that means that the child wouldn't be clingy if she was at home. He has a secure caregiver in his grandmother who has been in his life since the start - that is surely better than a parade of nannies and au pairs? If it's a secure bond we're talking about?

Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:13

Maybe she has to work full time though?

You wouldn't be going on like this if the parents were hard up and working in asda to make ends meet and provide for their child?

Maybe they are stretched?
Maybe the DH has been told job is at risk?
The way things are ATM maybe she
Doesn't want to take the risk of not working. People don't know the ins and outs of anyone else's finances (despite 3 generations of judgery friendship)

So op should just butt out and no one Gould judge imo

LibrarianByDay · 12/02/2012 00:15

IUse - because, as another poster who was certain she wanted to return to work after mat leave was endlessly told by do-gooders, you don't know how you'll feel after you've had the baby.

Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:20

I haven't even had my baby yet but am going back 1st oct so I can build up time to have another baby Grin

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 00:21

My DC's are 1, 2 and 3 so wouldn't be able to tell their DS that I feel a certain way. I have actually not discussed this with anyone except my DH, and wouldn't do so either.

Posting anonymously on MN is my way of getting some opinions, advice even on this.

My DC's get confused and upset when they see him upset, they really are all very close and love playing together. it's hard to watch and I feel sad for their DS - and yes I do find myself questioning my friendship with the mother. I wonder whether I want to be friends with someone this selfish.

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MrsBeakman · 12/02/2012 00:24

Attachment theory describes the dynamics of long-term relationships between humans. Its most important tenet is that an infant needs to develop a relationship with at least one primary caregiver for social and emotional development to occur normally. Infants become attached to adults who are sensitive and responsive in social interactions with them, and who remain as consistent caregivers for some months during the period from about six months to two years of age.
If the grandmother and aunt are the main carers in his life then presumably he should have been able to develop an attachment to them rather than his parents who you said he hardly ever sees? I don't think it matters that the main carers are not his parents, as long as there is someone with whom he can develop a loving relationship over a period of time.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:25

But at the end of the day, you're judging her for making a decision that is different to your.

And I can tell you for sure and certain that no matter what you do in parenting you're damned if you do and damned if you don't and judging others really isn't helpful.

Unless it's actually harming your kids, I'd leave well enough alone and just distance yourself from the friendship.

Everyone parents differently. Everyone. There are some people who do it mostly like you, and the friendships in those cases are easier. There are some people who do it very differently, and if that grips your shit then the friendship suffers.

And it seems to me that you don't really have a friendship with this family because you are too busy judging them for doing something different to you.

Thing is, they could be sitting judging you for not going to work and saying you're teaching your children that the mother has to come last. You just don't know.

Honestly, if it bothers you that much, ditch the friendship.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 12/02/2012 00:26

No, you don't know how you will feel after you have had the baby, but if you have a baby you should make them the priority in your life, especially when they are little.

There are no two ways about that IMO, it is selfish to have a child and then let them be brought up by other people.

Sometimes making the child the priority means working long hours, but it doesn't seem to in this case. Therefore, the behaviour of the parents is selfish.

I'm not saying they shouldn't enjoy life, I have gone away for odd trips here and there without my dc, but they have been left with the other parent, and it is not twice a month! That is extreme.

squeakytoy · 12/02/2012 00:28

The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also. She travels perhaps once a fortnight and is often away for a whole week. Se enjoys her work hugely and the lifestyle that comes with it and doesn't want to give that up.

The mum for example will fly to NY to shop for a week without DS

mother does not have a high paying job. She is an artist but yet to be discovered. Lots of networking and flying around the world, but no paintings sold as yet.

Sounds like a load of bollocks to me actually.... Biscuit

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:28

I have done both.

I have had DC and gone back to work at 3 months.

I have stayed at home with them long-term.

It has made fuck all squared of a difference to how they turned out.

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 00:30

Perhaps I am being judgemental and perhaps they do think I am wrong in putting career on hold. It's interesting to get some different perspectives.

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WorraLiberty · 12/02/2012 00:32

My DC's get confused and upset when they see him upset, they really are all very close and love playing together. it's hard to watch and I feel sad for their DS - and yes I do find myself questioning my friendship with the mother. I wonder whether I want to be friends with someone this selfish

A 1yr old baby, a 2yr old toddler and a 3yr old get confused and upset when they see him upset? Hmm

Time to lock them in the cellar then and don't let them socialise with any other child until they're adults.

Sorry but you have no fucking idea why this child gets upset.

How would you like it if your child was in my house and got upset...and I assumed it was because you and your DH were shit parents rather than just thinking 'Aww he's upset' Confused

Seriously, your judgey pants seem to be strangling your brains here.

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:36

Kids get confused and upset Worra that's a good point, especially if he's an only child and isn't used to playing as part of a group - I know a child who was like this but I never thought the parents were crap I just thought she didn't know how to be one of many and encouraged her and the other children to play

WhereEaglesDare · 12/02/2012 00:36

So if you are stating your families were friends for three generations,don't you think ,as a friend,maybe you can help the boy rather then stop being friends.
Help in a sense,continue friendship....
I am sorry to say,we all have our opinions and it's up to you what you are going to do but i don't think you are being very nice friend. Their financial situation it's their problem, them following their dreams regardless on family situation it's their problem,their great car with number plates it's again their problem...
You are coming here for people to do what??? Tell you cut the friendship??? If you think boy is not happy you don't go and cut a friendship between your dc and the boy....you are not a friend...sorry to say that...

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 00:37

Sqky toy I was addressing another poster who had wrongly assumed the mothers job was highly paid. Nothing there that is contradictory or bollocks as you put it.

In a nutshell, mother is away from DS as much as a full time job would take her away and then some, but it is not all related to pursuing hr art. An awful lot of time is spent on leisure activities, shopping, nail bar, whatever.

In any case I'm a bit fed up of justifying whether what I am saying is true. This is an anonymous post, why would I need to lie!!!?

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Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:37

Oh right. It's selfish because they have money

But if they worked ft in asda that would be ok ...

Biscuit
Kayano · 12/02/2012 00:38

Because it went from her working full time in op to swanning off shopping and going to nail bars as people said you were bu

That's why people are now Hmm really? Really?!

hathorinareddress · 12/02/2012 00:39

YJB - so what? They have made a choice as a family that works for them.

Maybe she's not maternal and the best thing is for the child to be with someone else as primary carer.

Maybe she doesn't give a shit.

So what?

It's not your business.

And I'm sorry but I agree with Kayano you seem to be making it about what the mother is doing and about the money.

Plenty of kids get brought up by nannies or grannys and others not their mother. Not every problem that a child ever had is their mother's fault you know.

NapaCab · 12/02/2012 00:39

Wow, OP, you're not just unreasonable but you also sound like a total bitch. I'm so glad I'm not 'friends' with you. Worry about your own problems in life, not other people's imagined problems. And get over yourself and the moral high ground.

WhereEaglesDare · 12/02/2012 00:39

consistency in story is important op!!!!

yellowjellybean · 12/02/2012 00:40

Liberty, you're missing some info , read my posts.

Eagles, I have not suggested I end the friendship! In fact that's the furthest thing from my mind and would be practically impossible to do.

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