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The freedom thread ( continued ) Riding the rollercoaster of an alcohol free life!

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Adm1010 · 23/01/2022 13:06

Hello all

This is a thread for people who have decided that life is much better without alcohol!🤩 These threads were started by @Drybird, and they have changed the lives of many people.

Some posters on these threads have been sober for a long time, and some are only just starting. We are a very friendly and inclusive bunch and we are always excited when someone new joins the thread. The only thing we ask is that our posters have given up alcohol completely. Talk of moderation can be triggering for some people, so this thread is not the right place for that (there are other moderation threads🙂).

We are a supportive welcoming bunch. No question is ever to “ silly “ and their is generally someone around if you are struggling

So just come here to chat or vent or check in . Whatever you need as you ride the rollercoaster of an alcohol free life Smile

Thankyou to bunnies for hosting the last thread.
And here’s to the next 40 pages Grin

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AlloftheTime · 12/02/2022 07:01

@iamyourequal hope you had a good nights sleep and your weekend goes well. It is tough without people supporting and encouraging you, I felt I missed out on that too. Keep going and never apologise for posting here it’s what the thread is for.

Borrow box a sober becomes a huge relief honestly! Well done the first week is never usually easy.

GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 07:38

Thanks for the welcome @iamyourequal Smile

Re lack of support irl; yes, I've has the same really. A lot of "but surely we can still get drunk together" type comments. I think people don't like losing their drinking buddies or else they don't like being around sober people on a night out as it highlights how much they are drinking.

My dh is supportive and has said things like he wishes he could do the same (he is a moderate but frequent drinker - like one small glass of wine of an evening, which I just cannot do). But it would be great to hear if anyone had noticed any positive changes in me. Maybe its too early on though. I did 29 days in January then stopped (tried to 'moderate' aka fell off the wagon on my case) and now on day 12 again.

It's been a lot easier this time round, so I do think it's progress.

I don't want to drink either. I am having to maintain some firm boundaries around other people though, like friends wanting to go out on a night out with me. I've actually had to turn people down as I don't want to drink and I know a big night out would be too much ATM. I'm a people pleaser with chronic FOMO, so even doing that is a big step!

Hope everyone slept well and is taking full advantage of their hangover free Saturday morning (even if that only involves watching Saturday Kitchen in your PJs Grin)

Adm1010 · 12/02/2022 08:51

Morning all !

Day off today and boy do I need it!
I’m late to the party but started watching Stranger things last night . Bloody love it!! Love a good box set .
So after the usual Saturday boring shit I might do some telly binging Grin

I find that my family are generally supportive but I think I’m my case theirs an element of “ seen it all before” as I have had periods of abstinence then tried to moderate and the cycle starts again . So whilst they are supportive they are guarded .

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GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 08:56

I was reading yesterday that on average it takes five serious attempts at quitting before it sticks, so people having seen it all before does not mean it won't stick this time Smile

My late mum was an alcoholic (the old-fashioned, non-functioning variety, poor thing) and I'd say five serious attempts is about right and she did manage it. She quit one day and didn't drink again.

Adm1010 · 12/02/2022 09:06

That’s interesting with the five attempts . I’ve never counted but yeah I could be around the five mark.

I know it only takes one drink for me to start the cycle again so I constantly have to fight the “ just one drink “ mentality . Moderation does not work in a dependant drinker . And I accept ( finally ) that I’m a dependant drinker .
Maybe that acceptance is the difference this time? I’ve never accepted the fact I’ll never be able to moderate. I’ve always thought I could “ reset “ and start again . But I might as well attempt to nail jelly to a tree

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GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 09:14

Yes, I can definitely relate to the acceptance part @Adm1010

For me, I have to accept that no, it isn't all a bit of a laugh for me to go out and drink God knows how much wine, get poured on to the last train home, pass out and stagger off (hopefully at the right stop) and then have to deal with the hangover the next day. I'm a mum. I cannot behave like that anymore and it isn't funny at all Sad.

Tbf, since covid, I haven't been out much at all, because I couldn't, but I still managed to put away too much.

Recently, when I did Dry Jan and then had just one weekend with wine, I drank two bottles of wine and other stuff, like leftover Baileys from Christmas etc on top of it. That was first attempt back at 'moderating' after a long break. Usually when i have a break I go back and have one glass in an evening and feel tipsy and that's that, but then it creeps back. This time I was straight back to almost a bottle of wine in a night. In fact the same number of units as a bottle of wine every night if you add the Baileys.

(I usually would play this down, even on a thread like this, but I'm not doing that this time). I know for me that I don't want to drink moderately. Sounds terrible. I don't want to! My inner drunkard is screaming "I want to drink loads, every day please and thank you" and my inner angel is saying "why would you drink anything at all? What honestly would you get out of that alleged 'one glass of wine and that's it for a week' which would make it worth the risk"?

GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 09:17

So many emotions at play here, but I'm remembering my teen years and how I'd get insanely drunk for the laughs I'd get. People love having a 'drunkest girl at the party' who isn't them and I'm such a people pleaser that I just did it for the very dubious applause.

I still have friends who I love but who want me to get insanely drunk with them. I have to remember who to prioritise and it is me (yes, I know that sounds like a shit meme, but it's true)

Adm1010 · 12/02/2022 09:24

@GoodMuse your friends want you to get drunk and silly to take the big shiny light off their own relationship with alcohol , the old… “ well I’m not as drunk as goodmuse so I’m ok “
It’s good to get these thoughts and feelings out
And in recovery it’s very common to talk about the “ good “ and “ bad” voice . It’s recognising the voice that is the building block of recovery . If you recognise it you can fight it .

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GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 09:27

your friends want you to get drunk and silly to take the big shiny light off their own relationship with alcohol , the old… “ well I’m not as drunk as goodmuse so I’m ok"

EXACTLY! Yes, this ^^. And I've played along for years because I so desperately wanted to be liked that I was willing to hurt myself for applause. Ridiculous behaviour and not want I want to model for my children.

Adm1010 · 12/02/2022 09:32

Aww @GoodMuse , it’s unpleasant but it’s good that you’re seeing it . You are worth so much more . Xx

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GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 09:34

Ah thank you xoxo

Feeling a lot stronger lately and it's probably because I haven't been drinking! Had to stop drinking in order to be strong enough to stop drinking ConfusedSmile

iamyourequal · 12/02/2022 09:57

Thanks @AlloftheTime @ @GoodMuse it’s nice to read your replies. It’s interesting to hear you also have others happy to try and get you to keep drinking for their pleasure. It’s so screwed up isn’t it?!
Well, my night got worse last night. My toothache was so bad I couldn’t eat at all. I was so fed up i ignored a call from my mum at 8pm. When I called her back later I find out my dad is in hospital and will be getting operated on this morning. My conversation with my mum went pretty badly for several reasons I won’t go into, and I’ve had a bad night of sleep with worry and tooth. I will report back later to see how everyone’s doing later. I think this is going to turn out to be the shittiest mid-term break ever.

SavBbunny · 12/02/2022 10:04

Morning all.
Have woken up starving. No af wine for me last night but i tried the Gordon's 0%.

Weight stayed the same but have had three meals out. We can't have it all!

@GoodMuse
I have similar friendship experience. Sav can drink us under the table, blah blah.
Mine stems from my teenage years of being bullied by family members and abused by predatory boyfriends.
I was very clever and quite attractive as a teenager and to fit in I drank. My experience was I needed to be funny and drunk so people weren't jealous of me. (still did this until recently) People took advantage of me. When I look back I am lucky to be here. Like yourself trying to get home whilst pissed is so risky.

I am in my 50s now and although nearly all my friends are big drinkers it doesn't look good. We all got trollied before Christmas and ended up being ripped off for the wine. Muggings here paid as I didn't want conflict. Won't happen again as my largesse will not pay for others to get pissed.

GoodMuse · 12/02/2022 10:07

@iamyourequal

That all sounds extremely tough. I really hope your dad is OK and that you can get some help with your tooth.

It is completely screwed up that people want others to get drunk for their entertainment/to make them feel better. Thinking though, in thr past I have definitely wanted and encouraged other people to drink more as well though. Messed up as that is. Either that or inwardly seething at someone for pouring me a too small glass of wine Confused

iamyourequal · 12/02/2022 10:11

Either that or inwardly seething at someone for pouring me a too small glass of wine confused. Lol I get that!! If friends poured their own wine higher from our shared bottle 😤 !!

PromisesMeanNothingSue · 12/02/2022 11:57

Hello all, checking in. I’ve finally caught up with the thread - I always seem to be a few weeks behind, but I do love reading your experiences and progress - there’s such a lot of wisdom in this group. Congratulations to those who have passed milestones. And commiserations to those who’ve been struggling. Keep getting up and dusting yourself down, and plodding on.

I’m ok, although I’m very annoyed that I’ve actually gained weight in the three months I’ve been alcohol free. I did overdo the sweet stuff in the first couple of months, but my diet’s been mostly great since January, and obviously I’m not consuming the wine calories. I did have a weak moment when walking past the supermarket in late afternoon last week; before I even had time to talk myself out of it, my feet took me in there and to the dangerous section, and I walked out clutching…

… two tubs of ice cream. Grin Could have been considerably worse, and I’m grateful that the irresistible craving was for ice cream not wine. It did make me think about how that took my by surprise, though, and I’ve also been having the odd fleeting thought about ‘well what’s the point in all this effort to change and be better if I’m still _’ insert from following options: fat and not losing weight, tired all the time and lacking in energy, not seeing dramatic improvements in my concentration and executive function, no fun, not miraculously the person I hoped I’d be.

I also watched the Annie Grace 5 day thing this week, that someone mentioned upthread. There were a few useful techniques - I liked the ladder thinking, for instance - but essentially I found it to be one (very) long advert for The Path. Which is fine; it was free, and she’s a very savvy businesswoman, after all, but it does grate on me a bit as it wasn’t very subtle.

So, I’m ok… not great, not the wonderful, amazing, joyful, functional bundle of achievement that Annie Grace gives the impression we can be… just the same old me, but sober. Grin I’m mostly kidding - I really value the free content she provides, and found The Alcohol Experiment really useful. I’m just gently mocking myself and my expectations, really. It’s me all over to plunge headlong into a major change, expect dramatic results, and then give up when I don’t rapidly get them. In this case, actually, I haven’t done that: I’ve stuck to my guns and stayed alcohol free even when that’s been hard, I’ve made huge strides in learning to be kinder to myself, and more patient, I’ve made some slow but steady improvements to other aspects of my health, and I’m seeing gradual but perceptible improvements to my health (mental, emotional and physical).

Also, I applied for a master’s. Shock I spent so long writing the personal statement etc that my the time I submitted the application, I was thinking that I’m mad to even consider doing it, and that I wouldn’t be able to handle the pressure of studying on top of my job. I’ll see if I get offered a place first, and then think seriously about whether to take the plunge. Who am I kidding… if I get offered a place I’ll think fuck it, and grab it with both hands! 🙄

BunniesBunniesBunnies · 12/02/2022 12:04

@iamyourequal I’m sorry you feel like people in RL aren’t supporting you more. I recognise that feeling and it can be really painful, especially when you yourself are always so supportive of everyone. Sometimes I find it helpful to say it out loud “Why aren’t you more supportive?” if I’m feeling brave. I rarely feel brave though, and I feel I can only really say this to my OH, not friends or other family… don’t know why…

Also I think 4lb loss in 5 weeks is great. That’s approximately 1lb a week! Which is a healthy and sustainable amount to lose. Imagine how much you could loose over w few months or a year if you kept going. Slow and steady is my motto these days…

Happy weekend all x

SavBbunny · 12/02/2022 12:26

@PromisesMeanNothingSue

Your post has cheered me up a bit!
I have gone back to my bed as feeling a bit shit. Just scoffed some nuts myself and a skinless chicken breast 🤓
I hear you re dieting. Fecking marvellous until this week.

I am on the Allen Carr book now and yes I get it, poison, should taste crap. It doesn't to me. I like sour, dry, flinty.
I feel quite alone because no one is inviting me anywhere. Too boring now?

PromisesMeanNothingSue · 12/02/2022 13:19

@SavBbunny I also like sour, dry, flinty kinds of tastes, and have developed quite a herbal tea habit. Proper dried herbs, though, not herbal teabags which often taste oddly sweet or of nothing. Currently drinking a mix of yarrow (which is slightly bitter), rose petal, rosehip, lemon balm and nettle. I make two big pots a day, and enjoy it hot or cold.

iamyourequal · 12/02/2022 15:56

Oh bless you thanks @BunniesBunniesBunnies. Your posts always cheer me up! (And make so much sense too) My day is improving. My dad’s operation this morning was apparently successful and they are letting him home today, phew. My Toothache is horrendous but I know once I’ve driven him home I can go home and have one of the bad-boy painkillers instead of paracetamol etc and please goodness that will help 😊.

@PromisesMeanNothingSue. The expected weight loss didn’t happen for me either but we just need to look at things in a longer timescale I think (and enjoy your ice cream in the mean time!). I’m with you on Annie Grace. I find her podcasts so helpful but I get cross at the heavy curating of who she includes (they are always graduates with successful careers!) and the heavy marketing of The Path etc.

Fortheloveofgodwhy · 12/02/2022 17:56

Hello, cautious waving from a newly AF mnetter. I’m very early only day 6 but utterly convinced this is it. I finally told some friends today, they were fab, it was in a WhatsApp so just a reasonable question of why, but of discussion and nothing more. Also told a neighbour friend and her response was ‘well you’re very young to decide you’ll never have a drink again’ immediately after telling me how she had a headache and felt rubbish after a couple of drinks last night 🤷‍♀️. DH also now knows, he was a bit ‘meh again’ but actually I’ve never before said I’m stopping for good. I’ve stopped for dry Jan, moderated (badly), set levels and stopped by circumstance (pregnancy and more recently after an accident) so not a great support but it is early days and he is one of those people who can drink half a beer and not even finish it.

I’m mostly already enjoying the head space, I’m not thinking about when I can drink, I’m giving no headspace to it at all. And walking DD up a steep set of steps this morning without the nagging sense of a hangover was bliss.

I’m reading Allen Carr which worked brilliantly for me to stop smoking 15 years ago and I like the sense, also listening the Janey Lee Grace, but I think I might need something for a month or twos time when the monkey starts telling me I can just drink on x occasion..

Also. And sorry this is such a long first post. How long until the sleep improves, it’s the thing I am most looking forward to as alcohol has really fucked my sleep. Normally after 4 days I’m sleeping better but this time I am not, possible because of a mental anxiety?

BunniesBunniesBunnies · 12/02/2022 18:18

Glad your day is improving @iamyourequal and that your dad’s operation was successful! That’s good news. Hope the toothache eases soon.

Welcome @Fortheloveofgodwhy! You sound like you’ve got your shit together😄 - You know what you want and now you’re going to do it. Like you 2 years ago I was just convinced “this is it”. I wanted to get off the Bloody Mary go round of attempting moderation. I am still grateful every day that I did!

Sleep WILL improve! My sleep still isn’t always perfect (I have a few young kids which doesn’t help…) but it’s so much better than it was when I was drinking. I’ve discovered I am actually a morning person😂😂😱 and often I will wake up refreshed and ready to run/work/deal with children’s demands. Having a good start to the day after good sleep really sets me up for the rest of the day. 6 days in though I was still a wreck🤣 So give it some time. The benefits of an alcohol free life don’t come all at once (in my experience), they just appear over time like pleasant little unexpected surprises😄 Anyway, welcome to the thread and good luck!

Fortheloveofgodwhy · 12/02/2022 19:02

Thanks @BunniesBunniesBunnies …going for a run.. now I haven’t done that for aagggees, it was one of my control techniques. I can’t drink the night before a run, so I’ll run twice a week and then I have to have at least two nights off drinking….. I never really progressed, and as all other moderation techniques it failed… fucksake the clarity I am gaining over the ridiculous control alcohol had over my life with every passing minute is hilarious. And concerning!

What do you guys say to people when they ask why you stopped? Is there a concise answer?

BunniesBunniesBunnies · 12/02/2022 19:34

Enjoy your run @Fortheloveofgodwhy! My running improved sooo much when I quit drinking, last year was my best running year yet🤩 When people ask why I quit I often just say something like, it just wasn’t working for me anymore/I didn’t like the way it made me feel/it messed up my sleep/gave me headaches. I often say something quite generic like that. The truth is of course more complicated and my OH and a few friends know this, but it’s up to me who I share that stuff with:-)

Adm1010 · 12/02/2022 20:24

@Fortheloveofgodwhy I’m honest with a lot of people but not all . Friends and family know now that I have a dependance and that I also have liver problems related to alcohol . But in a wider social setting where I’m not as comfortable then I say I’m driving .

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