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Fuck. Russian bomb has hit Poland.

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FayeGovan · 15/11/2022 19:09

What now?

Im scared.

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vera99 · 16/11/2022 23:19

I think Zelensky is under huge pressure to compromise on a peace deal that is forming between US and Russia and maybe, just maybe it was a Russian missile that hit Poland but NATO just doesn't want to go there and even consider Article 4 or 5 when they are trying to build an off-ramp for Putin.

kyivindependent.com/national/ukraine-war-latest-nato-says-poland-missile-likely-fired-by-ukrainian-air-defense-zelensky-wants-investigation

Booklover3 · 16/11/2022 23:26

They are most certainly trying to sow the seeds of discontent in regard to Zelenskyy and if he’s trustworthy or not. Something does stink! A definite change in the narrative.

vera99 · 16/11/2022 23:45

Biden was ready for him to fold in the first days of the war and the US probably thought there would be a Russian coup and a changing of the guard and business as usual with leaky sanctions and mock outrage from the West and Zelensky was offered a quick route out.

He has surprised everybody with his resolve and courage and inspired the US and Europe to help him try and defeat Putin. I think that Biden is becoming increasingly restive to end this war, get the US economy back on track and the oil price down and declare success, sadly Zelensky may find that US aid is conditional in coinciding with US strategic interests and time-limited and that time is running out. The US mil is starting to brief as well looks like Crimea will be the sticking point.

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/16/full-ukrainian-victory-russia-unlikely-warns-top-us-general/

Ian Bremmer, president and founder of global political risk firm Eurasia Group, tweeted on Wednesday, “The US government is now saying out loud what everyone has been saying privately for months: the complete removal of Russian troops from Ukraine territory (read particularly: Crimea) is extremely unlikely.
“At some point negotiations are the best option. Ultimately, negotiations have no chance of succeeding unless the Nato alliance stays together and Ukraine is in a strong military position,” Mr Bremmer said.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-lost-temper-zelenskyy-phone-call-ukraine-aid-rcna54592

LikeTearsInRain · 17/11/2022 00:06

Autumnnewname · 16/11/2022 23:13

@LikeTearsInRain

Do you really think Zelensky wants WW3

You do seem to be holding him responsible for Putin's terrorism

Why is that?

Not at all. I think Putin is awful.

But does immediately blaming Russia and demanding article 5 and then continuing to reject the current understanding it was a Ukrainian missile help the situation?

He literally wants NATO to declare war on Russia and start a WW3. He asks for things he knows will lead to exactly that all the time.

Autumnnewname · 17/11/2022 00:13

Fair enough Liketearsinrain

It was Russia's fault though

Venetiaparties · 17/11/2022 08:46

We are only here because of Russia.
We are only here because of Putin.

This is Russia ALONE to solve, they can walk away tomorrow, but choose not to.

CAJIE · 19/11/2022 09:12

the ukranians are not so nice either.Both macho countries and we all need to read more deeply on this and not swallow every media misrepresentation.Be way of Zelensky.He wants world war three and some ignorant people think you can have a limited nuclear strike. Er...not really.Maybe it is because some people think it is all like Game of Thrones or are gamers and live in that world of easy and banal concepts of right and wrong.Young boomers(who btw are very very different from the older set) Gen X etc know that nuclear war is the end.To some extent Putin was taunted by western actions back in 2014 and on taking the presidency he was not given enough motivation or help to promote russian democracy.Not a nice man but hell its complex.

CAJIE · 19/11/2022 09:13

oh and mums tell your boys they wont be wanted in a call up. It is very disturbing that young people do not seem to get this.Parental or teacher ignorance??But the internet can make people stupid.

CAJIE · 19/11/2022 09:14

yes he does.Totally agree.

PigletJohn · 19/11/2022 12:56

@CAJIE "Be way of Zelensky.He wants world war three"

Can you substantiate that allegation?

Autumnnewname · 19/11/2022 17:27

CAJIE · 19/11/2022 09:13

oh and mums tell your boys they wont be wanted in a call up. It is very disturbing that young people do not seem to get this.Parental or teacher ignorance??But the internet can make people stupid.

Agreed

Very stupid Grin

Alexandra2001 · 19/11/2022 18:02

CAJIE · 19/11/2022 09:12

the ukranians are not so nice either.Both macho countries and we all need to read more deeply on this and not swallow every media misrepresentation.Be way of Zelensky.He wants world war three and some ignorant people think you can have a limited nuclear strike. Er...not really.Maybe it is because some people think it is all like Game of Thrones or are gamers and live in that world of easy and banal concepts of right and wrong.Young boomers(who btw are very very different from the older set) Gen X etc know that nuclear war is the end.To some extent Putin was taunted by western actions back in 2014 and on taking the presidency he was not given enough motivation or help to promote russian democracy.Not a nice man but hell its complex.

Actually its not.
You'll need to remind me how many Russian cities destroyed, Russian women gang raped, Russian children raped, Russian families rounded up and tortured/executed?

...and can you show me how many Russian power stations hit by Ukrainian missiles?

Until then, you know what you can do with your "equivalence"

Putin & his Generals are animals and should be tried and if found guilty, hopefully hung for war crimes.

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