Labour isn't Working - Thread 39

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 🥀

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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@strawberrybubblegum sorry if I’m being dumb but which freedom of movement agreement do you mean?

Schengen has been suspended or amended a few times over the last few years.

Spain a few weeks ago police raided ministers homes arrested the prime ministers wife. It was corruption related I read. Haven't heard anything since though

"Spanish PM’s wife to stand trial on corruption charges and banned from leaving country | Spain | The Guardian" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/20/begona-gomez-pedro-sanchez-spanish-prime-minister-wife-corruption-trial

AHH she's been charged

"Raids, indictments and jewelry: Corruption cases close in on Spain’s prime minister | Courthouse News Service" https://www.courthousenews.com/raids-indictments-and-jewelry-corruption-cases-close-in-on-spains-prime-minister/

This is going to be huge.

That report’s a few months old but I agree that it’s startling. No doubt we’ll be hearing more about it.

It's always the socialists...

@justasking111 I feel like that article is mostly fluff but maybe it’s just badly written. But the case does seem to have been brought by a political party, which is dubious in itself and I think half the charges have been dropped already.

This is exactly the politics that I don’t want to see in the UK. Parties consistently attacking each other could easily escalate to this - I have no idea whether this particular set of allegations is true or not, but in general that culture of political parties just setting out to ruin each other strikes me as being really dangerous and have no value to the population

I bet no work gets done on the crumbling infrastructure while they’re busy with that!

Mainly Schengen. I know it was suspended by several countries after Ceuta. Has it been suspended other times? That would actually be reassuring!

I know that there isn't an immediate threat to EU free movement for citizens to work and live, since the restrictions are specifically to stop non-EU migrants, but it just feels like the whole optimistic EU freedom is crumbling. (I'm an EU dual national so it feels like a genuine loss despite Brexit) But I'm undoubtedly catastrophising!

@strawberrybubblegum quite a few times in 2023 and 2024, maybe? All for migrant issues. I know someone who was doing a European holiday in 24 that’s why I found out. So having to do suspensions after Ceuta is very much within the norm of recent years.

am I the only person who is a big fan of borders 😂

Is this satire? If it’s real, I am shocked and appalled. It would kill STEM higher education in this country.

Thanks for talking me down, @SapphireCasino I guess I feel sad at the loss of the innocent optimism of the EU from 20 years ago - although I was probably wearing youthful rose-tinted glasses!

Borders are better than illegal migration... but it's always cheaper and nicer if you can avoid the costs of checks and enforcement, if enough people act as they are meant to anyway!

I think the enshitification we've had over the last 15-20 years has been significantly driven by people choosing not to behave as they are meant to - and the increased costs of that loss of trust-based efficiencies, which we all have to pay.

Eg black market work, benefit fraud (including choosing not to work as hard as you can to support yourself), tax avoidance, compensation culture (screw someone over if you think you can get away with it, just because they are eg a landlord or run a business). There's such a sense of entitlement, and no social accountability.

Don't waste your time. Trust me.

I don't think Lucy Powell has suggested rationing A levels yet!

@redange is just poking fun at our Education secretary's low regard for.. erm... education.

And Labour's 'levelling-down' policy and ideological preference for equality of outcome over... erm.. actual outcomes for the UK or its citizens.

Ranyor accepts 20 grand from.an oil advisory group ( Raynor net zero zelot) conservatives say another case of do as I say not as I do.

The times

She loves her double standards does Ange. She spits and polishes them off before she puts them back on display.

Ignore I see nuthatch beat me to it 😂but worth mentioning again !

Agree!
You ‘could’ lose benefits, ‘it ‘could’ affect your asylum claim
😡😡😡

No ,I'm a big fan of borders.
I think the whole set of of free movement was a disaster.
Look at the rates of crimes and sex attacks from certain areas within the EU. All counties should have been allowed to move when their citizens were at a rough partiy with the more civilised members of the EU ! In terms of crime /attitudes to women and girls / money.

We are still reeling from this in the UK and now we have different issues.

The whole idea is wrong but I agree, using a pamphlet is insulting. It's like saying gaining a woman's consent is advisory, not mandatory. Utterly disgraceful and a pisstake.

And pointless writing it in English since mostly the rapists ‘need’ interpreters (at taxpayer ecpense) in court.

Like these two

There seems to be a lot of British men who don't know what consent means, so feels like these pamphlets would also need a very thorough explanation of that 🤔

As I've stated before, British men know the law on rape. That some might choose to ignore that, doesn't alter the fact. Women, in theory, have that legal protection. What we don't have is protection from unknown foreign assailants.

I’m really tired with this whataboutery.

I wonder if the posters who keep rehashing it can’t or won’t see the difference.

It wasn't meant to be whataboutery, more 'we have enough of our own, why import more?' argument.

It's also based on nonsense. Crime stats by nationality (acquired by newspapers using FOI requests) show very different conviction rates for different nationalities.

Afghan men in the UK are 20 times more likely to be convicted of rape and sexual assault than native British men.

That matters.

The government still try to hide the truth by rolling the figures for ultra-law-abiding Japanese and Hong Kong immigrants in with ultra-high-criminality Somalian, Eritrean and Afghan immigrants.

As if those groups are even remotely alike in behaviour, just because they weren't born in the UK. Why do they gaslight us and hide reality when our country is perfectly at liberty to put controls on our immigration to keep more dangerous nationalities out?

Almost as if they really don't care about British people...