Labour isn't Working - Thread 38

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread
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Really hoping they’re not going to whack income tax on working aged population to pay for social care…whilst driving private care firms out of business…hope that is fake news.

Thanks for the new thread Nuthatch. Here we are on thread 38 and things are just so bad. I don't know how other people feel but it is so depressing, it is just a constant stream of more bad news with people on benefits protected and looked after and unaffected and those of us who work suffering more and more with no light at the end of the tunnel, just more disasters. I worry so much for my sons. They work. None of us has ever had any benefits other than child benefit. None of us has the standard of living that people we know on benefits are having and they don't have any worries. Where is it all going to end? Does anyone else feel that we are completely screwed unless we are on the benefits bandwagon?

Thank you for the sparkly new thread. What excitement awaits!

Thank you, @Nuthatch26. That cartoon is very apt. (Hope you enjoy your cream tea.🙂)

What a worm Streeting is after a week of defence secretary he's waving the white flag. Thank god he wasn't around in WW1 AND WWII because at the start we were woefully under prepared. But my and DHs ancestors went to war anyway.

He disgusts me.

He’s going to look a bit lightweight if he bails this early whether the role is untenable or not.

Just wanted to say I agree totally with the last post on the previous thread

I found myself very angry about the £4.5k to parents on benefits to encourage there kids into apprenticeships.

My son is 16 and going to college in September to do TLevel in Engineering and then hopefully on to a degree apprenticeship.

DH and I both work full time, me for NHS and DH and social worker - combined income less then 100k, not on any benefits. Son is autistic but we have never applied for PIP for him as he is very academic, managed in mainstream with good school support, no EHCP required. We have worked hard over the years to support him to build strategies that work for him.

We will get zero support in funding his train travel to college, or funding the costs of a laptop capable of running CAD, which is a course requirement and is about £2k.

So yeah - we work really hard, he works really hard and is ambitious for his future. But the support and help once again goes to those who don’t. Often by choice. And this seems to be happening again and again and again.

Just to add, DS2 is disabled, with autism and a learning disability, he has moderate care needs, can’t be left alone, bowel incontinent, in a specialist school. So I am not ignoring those who cannot work due to disability.

But the number of people so disabled they cannot work AT ALL is not the majority. DS2 will be capable of some work in the future with the right support.

We always knew DS1 would be capable of work and living independently and so we have always encouraged him in this direction and focussed on his strengths and what he can do, rather than infantilising him and fostering a dependency on others attitude.

Too many young people are being written off. By the system, by employers and even (well meaningfully but misguidedly) by they own parents.

I would prefer to see universal incentives into skilled work where we have shortages. And incentives to employers to employ people with disabilities who are capable of working, with support, and who just need to be given a chance. Very few people are so disabled they cannot do any work at all ever - yet this seems to have become the norm.

Thanks for the new thread @Nuthatch26, hope your cream tea was good!

At the risk of appearing cynical, in what appears to be an attempt to gain public support and empathy, I notice Burnham has adopted Starmer's tactic of sharing personal information about their respective parents' health.

@Rinoachicken i agree, I feel that it’s desperate as a society that we have to pay parents to do the right thing for their kids re the apprenticeship/benefits reimbursement. But..if we are at this pass and this is a significant barrier then labour did perhaps need to do this for the sake of those kids.

whatever they can do to try and get young people into work has to be tried and see if it does help. It does make me quietly despair though, and it is yet another reward for people who can’t be relied upon to do the morally right thing.

He was pretty awful as Health Secretary too. The BMA were acting like idiots but he did his best to manipulate the messaging to the media that he was vilifying all resident doctors. Good if he resigns, he is so self-serving, I wouldn't trust him with my guinea pig.

And he thought he should be prime minister.

Burnham is keen to spend. Trouble is he is leading an unproductive country with no money.

I get the impression that the electorate don’t understand that they have to be their own solution. There are no billionaires coming to save us. I am flabbergasted that so many people seem to feel entitled to this.

The low-grade AI bots are out in force today.

There was a hilarious ai user copying and pasting yesterday. It was so bad I was quite entertained 🤣

There are no billionaires coming to save us

On the contrary they are all running away 😂.

Good morning 😁

Welcome to the new names on the thread. 👋

Burnham seems to have upset the opposition parties with calling a cross party meeting yesterday at very short notice.
Kemi couldn't attend as she was having minor surgery which had been pre-arranged for the summer recess. I'm sure she would have preferred to keep that information private.
Ed Davey was on holiday in France with his family. He cares for his son and his wife who both have complex needs, so he can't just up sticks to make Burnham look good for a day.

The Starmer govt were waiting for the Casey review, so there are no new policies here. Burnham has asked for the review to be brought forward - thats it.

For the pp who mentioned the possibility of private companies being ousted from social care, for profit companies have already been banned from children's social care in Wales by Welsh Labour. It hasn't come into force yet afaik, but possibly will be replicated in England.

Morning!

New kitten but an old cat here!

Love your new name 😁

I on the other hand haven't a blooming clue 🤣🤣

Which is why I don't change my name because I'd forget it 🙈

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Morning all ,thanks nuthatch.

I have been on these threads since the begining ,I always name change !

Burnham is just going crazy with all this new stuff he is spewing out !