Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

In many places in the world “western values” involves sex tourism and is frankly horrific. Older Europeans with very young economically vulnerable boys, girls and young men and women.

Agree OP

Commonly called paedophilia and no it isn’t a ‘Western value’.

I agree, this is unfair to thise who come here legally, they have to pay 1000s and provide so much paperwork. They wait years. Even if you marry someone from another country, its not easy.

So many are small boating in, organised by other criminals. They are helped by our looney fellow Brits who are complicit.

I despair

I totally agree.

There is a clear difference between immigration and illegal immigration.

Every single person I know agrees with you. What is so sad is that no one knows where to turn. So many voting Reform/Restore feeling they have no options but to "fight back". The governments - this and the last, are pathetically weak and have no leadership.

Can someone link the previous thread please cant find

I am really shaken by this attack... I don't know what the solution is - I do think anyone who doesn't have documentation arriving at a port or airport should not be allowed into a Country. How did they get on the plane/boat on the other side?

If we don't let more people in, how will we keep inflating rent for the parasite class?

No, those are predatory men, going abroad to exploit children. Not "Western values" at all. WTF are you on about?

I also agree with you op and I’m sorry that the recent tragedies had to happen for people to speak about the problems more

Enlighten us as to where these “many places” are.

Iraq where they recently legalised marrying 9 year olds..?

It's racist to point out vile and abhorrent practises in other cultures, don't you know? We must ignore it and throw universal credit at it.

Why is it a good process even if the outcome is this?

Just as this sort of attack is not eastern values. What it is is a violent damaged human causing horrific damage in a way only someone mentally unwell could.

Thailand? To be honest you see the same in many eastern countries.

Absolutely agree with and with the OP.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Well no it's not eastern as he's from Sudan which is in Africa...

Are you aware of what’s happening in Sudan?

Agreed!

I'm getting really sick of the attitude of some posters on here.

It's NOT racist to say you have concerns about immigration, but everytime anyone does, even with extremely measured posts, they get replies of "hi Nigel".

It's stupid and abusive.

The thing is, it's not beneficial to legal immigrants for these undocumented single young men to come either and many communities who've been here a while are against this too. They have daughters too.