Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

This. I genuinely wonder whether some people are just stupid or if they have been dropped off by a UFO. I can’t fathom it.

If the attacker has any friends, family or associates in NI, I wouldn’t fancy being in their shoes tonight. They may find their doors kicked in by armed, masked men at 3am, then thrown out of their homes & told they have 24 hours to leave NI. Or else.

Unfortunately if we don't base our policy decisions on facts and stats, we make bad decisions.

Nobody could possibly disagree with you when you say 'we don't want barbaric monsters harming our citizens'. Of course that isn't racist or anything else bad.

But you are wildly, massively overstating the problem based on a small number of horrific incidents (a number proportionate to the number of immigrants). And when you seek to classify whole sections of the community as rapists and murderers whose culture encourages it, that is racist.

We don't want murderers or rapists. But facts help show that no race, religion or ethnicity is more likely to commit those crimes than others. Ignoring those facts, and preferring the anecdotes given by social media or whatever, is racist.

Have you finished with this gaslighting shit yet?

The asylum system isn’t working if there’s even one attack like this. Time to face up to the issue.

It did not take long this evening for something in Belfast to be set on fire.
😂

It may well be the case that particular people are no more likely than others to commit crimes.

However, if I allowed someone to be my house guest and they then did something to hurt me or mine, I'd be insane to allow them to stay any longer...Wouldn't I?

Why are you laughing?

As I've said elsewhere, there have been cases of British citizens being deported from Canada and the US after serving sentences for serious crimes. I'm perplexed that the mere suggestion of deportation from the UK is frowned upon by some.

🙄 This, this is what has got us here and it will only get worse

I honestly don't think it's a laughing matter. Jesus

Of course. I absolutely agree that foreign criminals should be deported.

It’s too late by then. People can’t be a proxy vetting system.

I don’t care.

Call me what you like.

Deportation is the kind option at this point.

Deportation of who?

Any ‘guest’ who commits a barbaric act.

Id even extend this to red lists of countries that don’t align with our values, especially the values towards women.

I. Don’t. Care.

Who do you think?? Playing daft gets you nowhere either

Seconded

All of them, yes all of them, I said it.

What benefit is it to our country, our kids futures when we are all struggling so much as it is.
We should be left alone to live in peace with out families in the country that was once so great

*Our

This. I read a post on SM warning if this carried on the Republican Army would rise and deal with it themselves. I'm of an age to remember the Troubles so would be interested to hear from any NI posters their views on this

I'm with you on the deportation of foreign criminals.

But I do disagree on 'red lists', not least because I would struggle to define the kinds of values we want to keep out, or say that we here enact different ones in many instances.

Here fucking here.