Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

sadly it's so common that this one barely got any new coverage
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2026-06-03/gang-who-abused-teenage-girl-over-four-year-period-jailed-for-188-years

i can't even find it on BBC website

Totally agree OP.
Starmer will say it’s an ‘isolated incident’. But it’s not is it Mr Starmer…. there are too many of them for it to be an isolated incident.
Enough- the immigration farce has to stop.

Thank you for starting a second thread. I really wanted to respond to @msjinks who helpfully posted the link to the “checks” the home office do on the criminal backgrounds of these men…

Complete incompetence

And Starmer just stood there with his meek look, he’s doing sweet Fa!

Isolated incident GTF

Especially as women.

There is more work to do but there aren’t many other countries (if any) I’d feel happy to live in apart from the UK. It’s a hostile world for our sex.

Strangely when Poles were coming here to be plumbers, electricians, open Skleps, there was agitation that they should go back to their own country. Coming over here, fixing our pipes and electrics?

Lessons will be learnt!

yes, I think most people - bar the odd dyed in the wool racist who isn’t going to change their opinion regardless - see a difference between a) decent law abiding hardworking immigrants who agree with the culture and values of the UK and b) violent thugs and criminals.

It’s disingenuous to pretend that someone who came here legally and contributes to society is ‘pulling up the drawbridge’, and it’s insulting to imply that these immigrants should feel any affinity or sympathy for a piece of scum like the perpetrator in question just because they both happen to not have been born in the UK.

agreed, see also the Afghan rapists from Bristol today. Unfortunately, I think we should probably presume that it is quite likely that unaccompanied, undocumented and/or poorly educated men from certain countries are likely to have problematic attitudes that are not compatible with becoming integrated UK citizens. Germany is quite comfortable sending people back to Afghanistan or Somalia. I think we should too, to be honest.

I worry we are becoming desensitised to this 🥺

I believe so. Not a safe area on a good day, never mind now!

The left dominate so many of our institutions, from the universities to the publishing industry, and they simply cannot and will not accept that immigration isn’t always a good thing. Nor will they accept that not everyone who claims to be an asylum seeker is genuine. I have seen people who want rapists deported described as ‘far-right’. It’s f-ing insane.

Every sane, rational person knows that:

• Not every single person claiming to be a refugee really is a refugee.
• Not every single so-called ‘refugee’ is a poor, frightened little child with big brown eyes. Real life isn’t like some mawkish BBC drama. Many of these people are arrogant, aggressive and entitled.
• Letting in huge numbers of undocumented young men, often from violent and misogynistic cultures, is going to lead to problems.
• Many people who claim to be “fleeing war and persecution” are actually fleeing the police. Others are just rootless drifters or economic migrants.
• Mass immigration isn’t always, automatically, a good thing. It can be good, neutral or bad. It depends who you let in and in what numbers. Some immigrants really can enrich you (T. S. Eliot, Freddie Mercury, Clive James, Henry James, etc, were all immigrants), others will make your country worse.
• People run rings around the system. There are lawyers out there making a fortune from helping people delay or avoid deportation. It has become an entire industry.

There’s another one today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

The problem when a high trust society lets people in from low trust societies.

Someone will be along shortly to tell you white men do it too and completely ignore per capita and the fact this man shouldn’t be here.

Well put, good point

Yep.

We can all name incidents. But are immigrants or people from a particular culture or ethnicity proportionately more dangerous or likely to commit crimes than others? No they are not. And because of that, people's 'genuine concerns' are borne out of either ignorance of the statistics, or racism.

I think we need to acknowledge that sadly it's not practical to allow any more men from Afghanistan, Sudan etc to be granted asylum as it's not possible to keep British citizens safe.

Yes and I don’t remember any issues with them at all really, I keep reading that many are going back to Poland, of course they are

I think that’s a bit disingenuous.

The uproar was because they were willing to come over, live in incredibly cheap (inhospitable) accommodation and undercut British tradies in order to save up a wad of money to take back to Poland to spend.

It wasn’t simply because they were Polish. They were negatively impacting the economy and our trade industry.

And despite the fact I can completely empathise with the Polish tradies in doing this, I can also empathise with the British tradies’ frustrations.

Per capita.