Belfast attack

[Greenwitchart]

I can see that the previous thread on the topic is full so I am starting a new one to continue the discussion.

The points I wanted to say as someone who immigrated to the UK over 30 years ago:

• This is a horrific attack and everyone's thoughts should be with the victim and his loved one.

• However, I do think that we have an issue with some people getting into the country whether legally or illegally who simply don't have the same values as the majority of the population and are not able to follow its laws and customs.

• The asylum and immigration system needs a serious overall and to do more to stop men who are a potential danger to society because of their beliefs/culture/failure to integrate getting through the system and ending up committing violent acts. Some people destroy their documents and checks can only go so far when it is hard to verify claims and the chaotic countries they come from does not have reliable records that can be accessed . There are many peaceful and genuine asylum seekers who just want a safe place to live in peace but we seem to be getting in too many angry, violent men who abuse the system and that has to stop.

• I don't want to share the streets with people who have no respect for women and girls, are religious fanatics to the point of extremism or show hate towards gay people and bring violence in general.

• Having people from different cultures coming in is fine as long as they integrate well and take on the values of the country they live in. It does not work if they just live parallel lives and fail to follow the law of the land.

I think that load of bollocks you have just written is definitely “borne out of ignorance”
Try a new one. This point has already been done to death and slapped down many times.

Men who come from violent and misogynistic cultures are certainly more likely to commit violent and misogynistic crimes.

agreed - in addition, the underlying assumption from the (predominantly left-wing) pro-immigrant people is that societies across the world will inevitably become more liberal and 'progressive' and that anyone coming to the UK would automatically adopt and embrace out clearly 'superior' culture and lifestyle. It never occurred to any of them that some would come here to destroy it.

It's not about keeping citizens safe, it's about inflating rent and house prices beyond what anyone in work can afford for the benefit of a tiny minority.

This. It has gone way too far and the people will revolt. I cannot tell you the simmering anger of the ordinary people I work with on a daily basis - mainly men of an ABC Demographic and highly educated. Where I live, eg. not in the south, but a very desirable area up north, the woke brigade have pushed these men over the edge. 'Normal' men; dads with daughters. people who are white accepting of homosexuality, legal immigration and are reasonably open minded. They also have daughters. The politics in this country are in the gutter. All parties lie, deceive and are involved in corruption. We are a country seemingly devoid of borders. There is continuous conflict in the middle east and Africa. It will seemingly never end. Why wouldn't these people want to migrate by the thousands. Why wouldn't they want to flee to a country who throws free food and accommodation at them, and seemingly prioritises their welfare over the indigenous people. We can't even manage to keep these unknowns tracked and segregated to keep our children safe. Rhiannon Whyte's murder was absolutely horrific. Her mother is having to message Elon Musk and Donald Trump to help her, because Kier Starmer and her local Labour MP won't reply to her correspondence. All she did was go to work in the migrant hotel where she was employed, and stabbed 37 times. Who the fuck with any sense of emotional intelligence thinks that this is acceptable? Prior to Blair, I felt safe from this, as did my hard working 'ordinary' family; not now. What on earth have I brought my children and grandchildren into? Beggars belief.

Oh behave.

It's almost as if these backwards states that are in a constant state of conflict have one horrid thing in common

THEY ARE NOT!

This attitude is putting us in danger, I worry so much for the future of my young Dd

Have you looked at what’s happening in Sudan? Why would you want any of the same here.

Hi, my facts come from the Migration Observatory. They point out that foreign nationals make up 12% of the prison population, which is proportionate to their numbers in society (and you'd think there'd be loads more of you think there are loads of undocumented people roaming around committing crimes). When adjusted for age and sex, migrants are under represented, in fact, according to the Migration Observatory. They also point out that violent offences are committed proportionately less by non citizens. The Ministry of Justice recently published a study into ethnicity and criminality and found similar findings.

There are plenty of other high quality academic and think tank sources saying similar things. But that doesn't generate clicks and likes, sadly.

Which statistics do you have to rationalise your fears? I have two DDs myself and obviously worry for their safety, but I do so based on actual evidence. What's yours? Not news reports and social media posts, but actual statistics and research based evidence.

Paedophilia is NOT a western value. It is also not unique to the west. What the ACTUAL fuck?

They're here to defend landlords and their insane profit for housing 8 migrants per property, all funded by you and your tax..

It’s just a dressed up version of “well white men commit crimes anyway” that’s now been changed to say “Older Europeans with very young economically vulnerable boys, girls and young men and women.” because it somehow excuses the attempted beheading of a man in Belfast.

I don’t recognise this country any more. I do not feel safe. We are not being protected by the people we pay to protect us. I have no trust in them, the government seems to hate British people, it is really odd. Because of this government and the previous government’s ineptness and unwillingness to deal with asylum and illegal immigration, they have pushed people to the right. Nobody wanted this.

It truly is odd when we are the ones paying the tax they use to keep these people from overseas as pets, all for the sake of rent seeking for the parasite class. It can't last much longer, the aftermath is not going to be pretty.

Jesus C, it’s all around, the country is going downhill, crime is up massively, fear is in the air, all around Europe too, we are losing our culture. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve it, it is not racist, it’s not racist to not want bloody beheadings in the street and multiple stabbings and gang rapes and all the other vile, horrific things that did not happen to this extent years ago
We don’t need to quote any statistics, we can see it all around us!

Well said

There were more checks many years ago.

My dad came to the UK as a Displaced Person after WW2 and was required to prove his fitness to stay here (and, eventually to be naturalised).

He was required to report to the local police station once a week and - for a specific period of time - to work where required by the UK. He genuinely did not have a problem with that.

He also knew that any bad behaviour on his part would mean deportation (with dire results for him). I suppose that nowadays he would be classed as an asylum seeker.

I'm unclear as to what kind of Home Office process the attacker could have been through. I've found one report which tells me that he arrived in Belfast in February 2023 and was granted leave to remain in December the same year.

My dad spent more than two years in British run Displaced Persons' Camps before he was allowed to set foot in this country and there was a stringent vetting and monitoring process. While in the DP camps, he worked under the British Army.

Of course some people won't see the difference between newer immigrants and those who came before, which is why it's in our* best interests to ensure that the proper checks are in place.

If it is decided that the attacker in this case is actually a previously upstanding person who had a mental health crisis and it is deemed that deportation would be inappropriate, then the only reasonable measure that I can think of would be to place him in a secure psychiatric facility sine die.

*Previous immigrants and their families

https://news.sky.com/story/belfast-knife-attack-heres-what-we-know-so-far-13552388

I'm sorry but 'it's all around' isn't a fact, it's your opinion, influenced by many things including those who wish to make political capital out of this stuff for their own benefit (not yours or mine). Look at actual numbers, actual facts.

I live in this country. I don't see what you see. There is a big group of people being made to feel irrationally fearful. Of course there are problems, but the country you describe is not the one I live in.

No one should suffer an attack like this.

I do think there’s an issue with migration from countries where there’s been brutal and long-lasting wars. Some of these people will be severely traumatised and will be unable to live a peaceful life somewhere, the scars will be with them always.
I don’t doubt that the man charged with attempted murder is severely mentally unwell. I look at some of the other incidents by asylum seekers and think the same, not to excuse but to explain.
I think it’s something we have to take into consideration when looking at the overall population - many of whom we are currently unable to support with their mental health problems - before adding large numbers of traumatised men to the mix.

Where about do you live?

Wake up, open your eyes!

I feel like your posts are trying to gaslight us, either that or you live in a very comfortable little bubble and not reality

Well maybe you’d like to move to somewhere where you CAN see it then! You don’t have an argument to put across and stating facts about more crimes being committed by British people is a non argument seeing as the majority of people in this country ARE British! So obviously they will make up most of the prisons! It’s not rocket science!
I mean what the hell does it take eh? For one of them to jump you in the street and try to stab or behead you! Your comments are a complete insult to the victims of these atrocious attacks!