I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

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We all have different political views that can be difficult to place on the political spectrum.

I enthusiastically voted for Blair twice - it doesn't get more pro establishment than that.

Yes it does matter.
You would need to understand the history of these countries and their relationship.
And you need to look at the instability of the men doing the job. Trump is flakey and will be bored of this by next week, while declaring victory no doubt.
Netanyahu is a war criminal who literally doesn't know when to stop. Look at Gaza.

The whole situation is bad. Yes, Iran's regime needs to change badly for the Iranian people and I hope so much that this amounts to something better. However, Iran is a very complicated country and it needed to be handled better going forward and with more intelligence and I daresay by people who are not insane.

@1dayatatimei was always a moderate left leaning voted, but sadly the left’s pro Palestinian stance has shifted me towards the centre! Loved seeing the backlash Sultana got from her ridiculous post about the attacks on Iran!

I don't think that Vance posts on MN posing as someone else.

I'm puzzled as to why you think your own post is amusing.

Well said. Agree with all of this.

Everyone can have an opinion on whether they should be celebrating or not, or to use the pp description ‘extremely naive or at it’ but this is their reality.

And I wonder how many faced with the brutal oppression from the regime would choose many more years of the same over any hope.

Ik if I lived there seeing the oppression and deaths to those trying to change things I’d not want that. It’s easier to be more patient when on mn in the UK.

I’m not fan of Donald Trump…. But at look at all the things he’s done to stop people talking about him being in the Epstein files.

Absolutely wrong on Russia's position. It's not just that Trump is weak and in thrall to Putin, he is actively and openly on Putin's side. Biden should have done a lot more for Ukraine but he was constrained by his adherence to due process and allowing Congress to fulfil its role Unlike Trump who does what he wants, legal or not.

It remains to be seen how Iran will play out. There was much self-congratulationary nonsense about 'mission accomplished' when Bush toppled Saddam Hussein..look how that turned out.

America has a terrible track record once the bombing and toppling part is done. It remains to be seen how Iran turns out.

It will also be interesting to see how the likes of Trump and Farage treat 'the beautiful Persian people' if the chaos leads to them fleeing as refugees.

As for the other wars he claims to have ended, that is almost entirely Trump's deluded self-aggrandising bullshit.

Really?

If he is so good at bringing 'peace' by extracting Presidents or killing Leaders why does Putin still exist?

What next extract the Prime Minister of Greenland?

It amazes me how naive some people are regarding world affairs.

So what part of Trumps regime are you not a fan of?

Ah, you're the poster being unpleasantly provocative to the posters stuck in Dubai, thanks to this action you so support. Making fun of people finding the sound of military planes overhead unsettling, as you sit comfortably at home, mocking.

Do you have bone spurs too?

I'm remembering from reading the news at the time.

Feel free to correct me if any of that is wrong but I don't think it is. I could copy it into an AI bot and ask for it to be fact checked, if that would convince you?

Please explain how Russia would be in a stronger position in Ukraine without Trump.

People in the UK protest about a lot of things. It's no excuse for bombing Iran, not to mention the other Gulf States because you don't agree with their policies.

Should America bomb Israel because people protest? Trump, supported by Israel oddly enough, doesn't appear to think so.

But what fact checking have you done? Before your OP did you check any facts?

@walllaw what’s your left leaning suggestion to free the Iranian people from such a regime? The Iranian’s are the real hero’s in this and want to be liberated, whether it happens is another thing but
this hope is incredible for them! I’m sure if this was in WW2, the same lefty critics would be up in arms that the US were getting involved as well. Two things can be true at the same time - Trump can be awful AND the Iranian people can be ecstatic that there is possiblity that they will be liberated! Sometimes it’s nice to step out of your ivory tower!

Firstly I'm heartened to hear that you have been pushed to the centre rather than further right like Reform as some have.

Personally I would be more centre / right but I fully respect and fully understand the logic of "old school " left wing politics concerned about improving the conditions of ordinary working class, growing and protecting UK industries, putting UK citizens first etc. Unfortunately the left has now been corrupted by their identity politics.

You opened with not being a fan of his, but then followed with misinformation that comes directly from White House propaganda. Not surprising that a lot of people assumed you were being disingenuous. As for someone voting for Trump because they're too much of a snowflake to take any criticism instead of for policy reasons...well then yes, I agree that people that ignorant and thin-skinned are the reason we are where we are today.

Isn't this all about disrupting oil to China to reduce their power?

The people of Iran are of course free to celebrate as they wish. I don't suppose that many of them really believe that this is the end of their struggle.

I've been in touch with my Iranian friend this morning. She lives in the UK but the rest of her family is back in Iran. She is happy that the Ayatollah is dead but she is extremely anxious about what is going to happen next. I understand that anxiety. The US does not have a good track record of successful regime change.

Look at Venezuela. It is of course good that Maduro is out, but I don't think the Venezuelan people have seen any benefit as a result of this yet.

Putin's three biggest allies were arguably the leaders of Syria, Venezuela and Iran.

All have been removed by Trump or Israel in the last 18 months

He wasn't.

He pulled out in July. The election was in November.

@LoudTealHarei have Iranian friends in the UK with family in Iran. They have been terrified for over 40 years, if you didn’t know over 20,000 Iranians got murdered on the street over the past couple of months. They are afraid but heroic and have a sense of hope, don’t try and spin this!

The bombing of the school was said to be a IR missile…

IRGC has been foiled from committing 20 potentially lethal plots on UK soil in the last year alone not to mention cyber attacks across Europe and N America, targeting critics, journalists, dissidents, Israelis etc all over the world - funding proxies including Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic jihad, Lebanese Shia, to name a few, for four decades now - I suppose shooting their young people in the back for demonstrating in the street and their people begging for help from Trump their heel dragging on the nuclear negotiations was the last straw.