I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

Why the lefty bashing? Nobody is saying that dictator's are great. They are questioning the motives of another dictator and openly supporting him. Why conflate political ideology with having a dissenting opinion about Donald Trump. It is possible for two things to be true at once.

How do you pull out of something you're not running in?

Interesting that you've decided I'm left leaning.

I don't have an answer. I'm not a politician or a diplomat.

But I would suggest having continued the negotiations that would appear to have at least had a chance of success; having marshalled international cooperation and support from allies before going in (including plans to evacuate and/or repatriate foreign visitors and residents who are now caught up in a very alarming situation). And, jointly with allies, having spent some real time on a plan for what to do post-bombing. You can't effect regime change in the ME by killing people and hoping the vacuum will be filled by people you like better.

Troll

i am genuinely puzzled as to why people find the sound of military aircraft overhead as unsettling. They are not going to bomb you, they make the same sound as passenger
aircraft. Hell some people even go to air shows to intentionally see and hear them.

I get that a low flying military aircraft would make a lot more noise than a high flying passenger jet but other than that I struggle to see what the concern is.

So one person killing people is bad but someone else killing people is to be lauded ?

Because by killing some people others might not be killed ? Making trump Judge and executioner?

I thought it was Albania and Azerbaijan?

How can you say with confidence what they believe?

Some of the posts on here are dismissive of their celebrations and voices, which is a shame.

No. They don't sound the same at all. I lived in NYC on 9/11. I can assure you, it's a totally different thing, and even now, thinking about the sound makes me anxious (and I'm not a generally anxious person).

The Assad government collapsed in 2024.

In Venezuela, the same regime is in place.

Nobody knows what's going to happen in Iran. The power structures have't changed as far as anyone knows.

Yes, Iran really cares about children. They really cared about girls being educated. This is the country that passed a law last year allowing nine year old girls to marry. I wonder who that sick law benefited.
Who on earth are the posters/trolls who are being supportive of the recent Iramian regime and wailing about children allegedly being killed. Did they complain about women being murdered because they wore their head covering the wrong way?

Do you not remember what happened?

The only change to Venezuela is that the US now gets some of their oil revenue and I’d really appreciate it if you could show me proof of any other country besides Israel and the US having nuclear weapons in the Middle East. I shed no tears for the Ayatollah but life will be worse in the short term for Iranian people and then unchanged.

Let’s be honest. The world is not a safer place since yesterday.

Has anything actually changed for the people in Venezuela since Trump abducted their leader-no. Will anything change for the people in Iran-wake up, the people in the wings are just as bad.

I don’t ‘hate’ Trump. I can just see him for the deranged despot that he is, an egotistical sexual predator who is busy lining his own pockets as he slides further down his path of his dementia. If you think someone like him having ownership of the nuclear codes is good for the world then you should have another think.

Where on earth have I claimed to know with confidence what they believe? I said that I don't suppose that many of them really believe that this is the end of their struggle. That isn't being dismissive of their celebrations in the slightest, it is merely an acknowledgement of the fact that the situation is extremely complex and most people living through that reality are likely to have a reasonably nuanced understanding of their position.

You might suppose differently. Neither of us can claim to know with any confidence what people in Iran may or may not be feeling right now. Moreover, not all of them will be feeling the same thing in any case.

The only claim that I have made with confidence about how someone is feeling this morning was with regard to my Iranian friend. I have no reason to doubt that she was telling the truth about how she felt.

wailing about children allegedly being killed

Would you like to rethink that sentence?

It is possible to believe that women shouldn’t be murdered and that children shouldn’t be bombed, you know?

The OP has got to be one of the daftest things I have ever read.

Trump is total liability and a vile person.

There are two different issues here. They do care about girls being educated. Most STEM and medical graduates are women, and universities typically have 50-60% female enrolment.

It goes without say that it doesn't mean the regime isn't horrendous.

Something about a stopped clock comes to mind.

Got proof they targeted children have you??
Can you share a link with us please .
Just out of interest- what were the IRGC targeting when they killed 35,000 people?? Letterboxes? Lamposts?
Were you up in arms about that? Or did you ignore that because it wasn’t American or Israeli weapons/people doing the killing.

Do you really believe Iran would “Literally…..agreed to not stockpiling enriches materials”??
THAT is the most stupid thing I’ve seen this year because of course the last 47 years of Iran doing everything it could to build a nuclear weapon whilst funding a huge amount of terrorism throughout the world shows that these evil religious Islamic maniacs could be trusted.
I despair I really do.
They were never ever going to stop until they destroyed Israel.

I look forward to your link from a verified source showing how the allies deliberately targeted a school because obvs, that would be top of their list. Not the military compound next door.

No wonder we have so many idiots in government when we don’t have intelligence tests to vote.

Is the original post satire? If not I despair for humanity, dear lord 😬

It's not being 'dismissive'. It's great that people have a moment of happiness. We've seen this show before though. We've seen Iraqis celebrating, Afghans celebrating, the West being lauded as heroes over throwing terrible regimes and we've seen what happens after the celebrations. Memories are really fucking short around here.

Ostensibly Iran refuses to give up creating enriched uranium for nuclear weapons and is building 100 ballistic missiles a month that could carry them.

Also Ostensibly the school was adjacent to an IRGC facility (y'know, the people that massacre protesters and arrest and torture women).

So my question to you is, would you be happy if, in 2 years time, a regime like that which sponsors various terror groups and hates the West and Israel, had over 2000 nuclear missiles (the UK has about 250 i think)?

I think the situation is shitty but which would be a worse outcome?

Agree they deserve a much better existence but the Mullahs have put in place a succession plan for leaders with the exact ideology - Iran will never be a completely free democratic nation.
But having said that - they should
never be allowed nuclear weapons under the current ideology of wanting another nation wiped off the planet - Israel. Things will become worse before there is any hope of a peaceful Middle East and suspect it won’t happen in my lifetime sadly.

Children are not collateral damage.