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I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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TheFilliesWillRiseAgain · 01/03/2026 10:34

I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

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FloralDeerPattern · 02/03/2026 13:38

Underthinker · 02/03/2026 13:30

So you don't beleive Trump when he states his motives for attacking Iran, but you do believe him when he brags about the success of a previous military operation???

My memory is far from perfect but IIRC most analysts said that last year's strikes put the nuclear program back a few years.

I didn't believe they were close to nuclear when Trump bombed them last year but even the hardest of thinking would have to agree that bombing something that US intelligence says doesn't exist then declaring that you have obliterated it, then claiming they are back to being close again all with the space of 9 months is all absolute bollocks fearmongering propaganda being used to justify an illegal war just like wmd were. Like I said short memories when it comes to blowing up the middle east

walllaw · 02/03/2026 13:39

Addybee · 02/03/2026 13:27

I understand concerns that things could get worse before they get better, and and as I keep saying we’re fully aware of that. History shows this is how change happens. During the first revolution, there were still supporters of the Shah, and all his structures were still in place for years and still has his supporters as will this regime. Or again Look at Hitler, he had supporters too, and things didn’t just disappear the moment he died. Systemic infrastructure will take years to dismantle.

we know and history has raught us that Killing the head of the snake doesn’t mean the rest of the body disappears, and yes, there are still people in place who could cause harm. That’s why, if people are concerned, support in pressuring governments to act properly is so important rather than leaving it to military action.

There is still a long way to go. No country ever has 100 percent agreement, and while some may look to figures like the son of the Shah... What matters is that he has promised to step aside, be the voice of the people, and help lead the way toward the democratic country Iranians truly want. That is in all we are asking for- and the only reason that people are clinging onto him for hope is that over the years and decades of protests no one has vocally supported any kind of revolution and this is the first time the people have a authority figure against this regime. So while many won’t support him they support what he stands for.

As for services like phone, internet, and electricity, those are already things this regime regularly restricts, so for the people, it wouldn’t really be anything new.

No one knows exactly what will happen next, and it’s impossible to predict the future. All people are asking is for a chance to have their freedom and decide for themselves. Even if it doesn’t turn out perfectly, at least people can say they fought for what they believed in. That is all anyone can really ask for.

Thank you for your answer. I really do appreciate the time and good faith that went into your reply.

I'm just very well aware that much more capable and thoughtful US administrations have failed at supporting this kind of regime change. I do wish they'd devoted some real time and resources to building a support infrastructure around alternative governments there, but that failing can't be put onto this administration alone.

Sending wishes for the best possible result.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/03/2026 13:39

Short memories abound

They do indeed, @FloralDeerPattern; some even manage to forget the nerve gases used by Iraq when insisting that they "didn't have weapons of mass destruction"

It's also true that Tulsi Gabbard testified Iran isn't building nuclear weapons, but I'm not sure anyone with sense would take the regime's pledges and commitments on trust

JaneV1984Madness · 02/03/2026 13:42

Agree puzzled
As we have seen with Putin it's imperative that no more bad actors get nukes
We are totally stuck if they do.

Ihangthemoon · 02/03/2026 13:47

History shows us that when the West interferes in this region, we don’t get a positive regime change. Look at Afghanistan, Syria, Gaza…It usually becomes even worse unfortunately and now we are also seeing the conflict spreading to more countries.
Negative impact on world economy, more displaced people/ refugee crisis, more terror. From what I understand there is also not one strong opposition in Iran with a leader ready to take over. I don’t see anything to celebrate here.

FloralDeerPattern · 02/03/2026 13:55

JaneV1984Madness · 02/03/2026 13:42

Agree puzzled
As we have seen with Putin it's imperative that no more bad actors get nukes
We are totally stuck if they do.

Sure so we tell Putin, we tell China, we tell North Korea etc that it is perfectly OK to break international law and attack other countries when you feel like it. That will certainly help stabilise things.

Underthinker · 02/03/2026 14:11

FloralDeerPattern · 02/03/2026 13:38

I didn't believe they were close to nuclear when Trump bombed them last year but even the hardest of thinking would have to agree that bombing something that US intelligence says doesn't exist then declaring that you have obliterated it, then claiming they are back to being close again all with the space of 9 months is all absolute bollocks fearmongering propaganda being used to justify an illegal war just like wmd were. Like I said short memories when it comes to blowing up the middle east

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It's dishonest to say Iran weren't building a nuclear bomb. They were enriching uranium to levels that could have only been for creating nuclear weapons. This is all well known and well documented.

juggleit · 02/03/2026 14:53

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 01/03/2026 22:25

I think the point is that not all Iranian women speak with one voice. Many will be delighted by this latest development and very optimistic about the future. Manywill be pleased to see the back of the old leader but feel very anxious about how the situation is going to unfold. There will be some who hate the regime but don't see foreign intervention as the way forward. And I guess there will even be some who wanted the old regime to continue.

Bullies respect power and that is what the USA has demonstrated. These people pretend to appease and negotiate on the International stage while plotting to infiltrate and destabilise us. . I believe all threats to the Western worlds way of life should be protected and that includes our Muslim citizens, as they also, equally have the right to live the way in which they do as long as they pose no threat to our democracy and freedom of speech.

Shegotanology · 02/03/2026 15:09

Why do old men start wars?

DuncinToffee · 02/03/2026 17:12

I would recommend watchng today's press conferences from both Hesgeth and Trump.

Trump is more interested in the gold curtains than those killed in action.

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:15

1dayatatime · 02/03/2026 09:14

Normally I like to wade in and take apart conspiracy theories, but this one is so batshit crazy and out there that I really don't know where to start.

That said it could be improved by maybe weaving in Farage and Putin into it somehow.

You are entitled to your opinion but I think you are crazy and also naive to not even consider this possibility (which is likely to be correct).

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:16

Linzi2377 · 02/03/2026 10:11

Correct!..he could cure cancer and some people would be out protesting that too 😣

He's bombing multiple countries and killing multiple people, not curing cancer. What a stupid analogy!

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:17

quantumbutterfly · 02/03/2026 10:23

Are you saying the Israelis control the CIA? Goodness. How alarming.

Are you able to point out where I said that? That said, the Israelis clearly have a huge influence over the actions of the US. Did you miss Huckabee's recent comments? Look them up if so.

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:20

Ihangthemoon · 02/03/2026 13:47

History shows us that when the West interferes in this region, we don’t get a positive regime change. Look at Afghanistan, Syria, Gaza…It usually becomes even worse unfortunately and now we are also seeing the conflict spreading to more countries.
Negative impact on world economy, more displaced people/ refugee crisis, more terror. From what I understand there is also not one strong opposition in Iran with a leader ready to take over. I don’t see anything to celebrate here.

Thank you for an intelligent post! Those cheering the US for starting a war have completely and utterly failed to think of the consequences. So many people complain bitterly about high rates of immigration but cheer on the wars started by the US (and Israel). No joined up thinking whatsoever.

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:23

FloralDeerPattern · 02/03/2026 13:38

I didn't believe they were close to nuclear when Trump bombed them last year but even the hardest of thinking would have to agree that bombing something that US intelligence says doesn't exist then declaring that you have obliterated it, then claiming they are back to being close again all with the space of 9 months is all absolute bollocks fearmongering propaganda being used to justify an illegal war just like wmd were. Like I said short memories when it comes to blowing up the middle east

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Yes, they've changed their mind a few times already. Tulsi Gabbard has been sidelined because she isn't agreeing with the powerful NeoCon elements. Trump personally has a lot to lose here if he doesn't get his 'in and out' war, which looks fairly likely.

EverythingGolden · 03/03/2026 06:57

juggleit · 02/03/2026 14:53

Bullies respect power and that is what the USA has demonstrated. These people pretend to appease and negotiate on the International stage while plotting to infiltrate and destabilise us. . I believe all threats to the Western worlds way of life should be protected and that includes our Muslim citizens, as they also, equally have the right to live the way in which they do as long as they pose no threat to our democracy and freedom of speech.

The current regime in the US is likely the biggest threat to our way of life in western democracies that we have seen for nearly a century. Trump is a threat to democracy, rule of law, the US constitution and international law which are all the things we have based our ‘western way of life’ on since the world wars. Without those things we will have no western way of life as we know it, unless we mean like the Wild West.

EverythingGolden · 03/03/2026 07:31

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:16

He's bombing multiple countries and killing multiple people, not curing cancer. What a stupid analogy!

It’ll not be surprising though if he claims he’s cured cancer at some point.

itsthetea · 03/03/2026 08:56

EverythingGolden · 03/03/2026 07:31

It’ll not be surprising though if he claims he’s cured cancer at some point.

Don’t you know? It’s all people’s fault if they don’t eat a good old American diet

paolo2145 · 03/03/2026 09:38

What astonishes me is that so many politicians and indeed right wing press, who slaughtered Tony Blair over getting us involved in the Iraq war, which we all know went initially well but then led to total disaster, ISIS and years of terrorism on our shores, are now slaughtering Starmer for doing the opposite.

Marco Rubio admitted last night that USA got involved because they knew Israel was about to attack and that if they did then Iran would attack US interests.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/02/rubio-us-attack-israel-iran

There is literally zero evidence that Iran was an imminent danger to USA or UK, questionable even if they were even an imminent danger to Israel.

This war has not been approved by US Congress and is almost certainly against International law. Even if it initially goes well we all know that it will almost certainly cause long term chaos and increase chances of terrorism in future.

I remember all too well the chaos after Iraq and the bombings of Syria & Lebanon and the consequences which led to mass immigration into Europe from displaced refugees.

Trump started this war due to his domestic failures, crashing poll ratings and to distract from Epstein scandal. I for one am glad we have a PM who is not keen on rushing into another USA illegal war.

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rainingsnoring · 03/03/2026 10:34

EverythingGolden · 03/03/2026 07:31

It’ll not be surprising though if he claims he’s cured cancer at some point.

Very true!

rainingsnoring · 03/03/2026 10:35

rainingsnoring · 03/03/2026 10:34

Very true!

Do you remember his drinking bleach comment during the Pandemic? I expect he thought he had thought of a genius plan to cure Covid at that point.

walllaw · 03/03/2026 11:18

rainingsnoring · 03/03/2026 10:35

Do you remember his drinking bleach comment during the Pandemic? I expect he thought he had thought of a genius plan to cure Covid at that point.

Don't be ridiculous. It was injecting bleach. And he was just contemplating it. Because his brain is so big and so beautiful. The rest of us can't keep up.

Did you know he believes that people are born with a finite amount of energy, like a non-rechargeable battery, so he doesn't believe in exercise because he believes it uses up the supply (not a joke)?

SleeplessInWherever · 03/03/2026 11:23

walllaw · 03/03/2026 11:18

Don't be ridiculous. It was injecting bleach. And he was just contemplating it. Because his brain is so big and so beautiful. The rest of us can't keep up.

Did you know he believes that people are born with a finite amount of energy, like a non-rechargeable battery, so he doesn't believe in exercise because he believes it uses up the supply (not a joke)?

What so death is just your battery running to empty?

Better go for an immediate nap and stop using battery, because I feel like I’m about 5mins off 😂

walllaw · 03/03/2026 11:33

SleeplessInWherever · 03/03/2026 11:23

What so death is just your battery running to empty?

Better go for an immediate nap and stop using battery, because I feel like I’m about 5mins off 😂

Same 😂

If only someone would accidentally leave his engine running overnight...

1dayatatime · 03/03/2026 12:57

rainingsnoring · 02/03/2026 23:15

You are entitled to your opinion but I think you are crazy and also naive to not even consider this possibility (which is likely to be correct).

You see that's the thing with conspiracy theorists- rather than basing their opinions on actual evidence, they have this arrogant self belief that somehow they have this superior insight into world events "because they just know" and that those who disagree with them or wish to base their opinions on evidence and facts are "naive".