I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

What no-one seems to be talking about is that this type of action could have happened with Israel alone (this is referenced in the BBC article linked below). "He (Trump) also said the administration knew there was going to be Israeli action against Iran and the US would suffer "much higher casualties" from Iran's response if the US didn't strike first."

Israel I think at this point are feeling they need to eradicate their main enemies or face the fact that the state of Israel will eventually be obliterated. The current Iranian leadership is their main enemy.

I also think that it's convenient for people to ignore the fact that for many Iranians 'anything but the what we have now' applies. It's all very well to say things may well be worse via this action, but they may also be better. There's no even remote glimmer of hope that anything will get better if the current regime remains in charge - most people in that situation would opt for the chance of change and the chance to help shape that change over permanent oppression. It's not really that progressive to deny self-determination and to opt for the status quo when the status quo is murdering women for uncovering their hair and murdering 30,000+ of your own citizens this year alone for protesting.

It's all just a lot more complicated than 'Trump bad' - though I suppose this position is easy if you don't want to engage your critical brain.

Even the BBC, generally anti-Trump (though I accept they seem to have got better and a bit more fact based since the edited video revelation), admits that it's not at all clear cut that Trump did not follow the law of the US in this action.

As usual, Republicans say one thing and Democrats say another though the resolution the Dems are trying to introduce suggest that it must be somewhat legal at the moment or they wouldn't need that resolution would they? Did Trump declare war and did Congress approve Iran attacks? What to know - BBC News

House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Republican, said the Trump administration had notified the "Gang of 8" - a bipartisan group of congressional leaders - ahead of the strikes.

There are legitimate questions to be answered. But I suspect had Israel gone ahead with this alone it probably would have made things worse all around.

The US has no plans on how to get their citizens home from the ME, they are being told that they are on their own.

Trump has given the Starmer and the UK a drubbing on National TV - he was dead right!

Shame you put the word right there

You nearly gave us hope.

Was he dead right when he spoke about British involvement in Afghanistan too?

Well Ed Davies of the LibDems is also questioning why the UK taxpayer should be funding flights out of Dubai for UK citizens who went there to avoid paying UK taxes.

Do you agree with this?

There is some truth in his comments, those who went there to escape tax are now relying on tax payers to help them escape bombs.

The UK should help them regardless of their reasons for moving, and they do.

Hopefully they will have some time to reflect, especially those admonishing refugees.

I agree.

I see his point, but responsible democracies don't and shouldn't punish people for being wankers. The UK could, however, institute a tax code more like the US so that citizens are responsible to HMRC regardless of where they're domiciled.

*I do think the specific variety of wanker that made money off of pushing Brexit before cynically fucking off might be fairly sent a big fat bill once they're been repatriated.

The thing is, people like you can arrogantly call anything they don't think is true and isn't fully covered and spoonfed to them in the Western MSM a consipracy theory and aren't capable of thinking further themselves. Do I actually need to state that the reason you see no evidence of DJT in the Epstein files is because it is being deliberately concealed because he is the US President and has $$$, power and far reaching influence?! I thought that was obvious.

100% agree with you op.

Can you say why?

I wonder if the people who are cheering the US and Israel on have seen Rubio's recent performance when questioned as to why the US started this war. A failed attempt at gaslighting the US population.
Someone else on X made the analogy that it is like saying:
'I knew my son would get drunk and take my car out when I went to sleep so I decided to drink the contents of my cellar, take my car out and crash it into a tree to stop him from doing that'.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2028620687670399352

Later, Bibi was saying that they attacked Iran to save America:

https://x.com/DowdEdward/status/2028665196072558794

They are clearly making it up as they go along and have no plan. The US have been begging the Iranians to rise up against the regime but that doesn't appear to be happening.

Trump launched a huge bombing campaign on Iran but apparently didn't plan for:

• Who takes over;
• Interceptor shortages from sustained drone retaliation;
• How to defend US bases in the region;
• Threats to ships in the Strait of Hormuz; and
• How to evacuate Americans with airspace closed.

Exactly, with your first point being of key importance to those cheering Trump on. Will they make the situation better by killing the 'evil Ayatollah' or will it be worse, with even harder line leaders taking over or will there be a power vacuum and mass violence. Even worse, will the attack trigger a prolonged conflict in the whole of the ME, with masses consequences to many, many millions of people. It also runs the risk of a broader conflict and major economic implications, including for those in the UK.

Ahh I finally get it - the reason that there is no evidence to back up the original conspiracy theory is because there is another conspiracy theory that says that the US President is using money, power and rather ominous sounding "far reaching powers" to suppress this evidence.

Out of interest, would the reason that there is no evidence of the President using this "far reaching powers" to suppress evidence, is because of aliens hiding this evidence?

And that those people that don't accept this aren't capable of thinking further for themselves. Wow - you must be so much smarter than the rest of us!

No idea about the aliens. Is that the conspiracy theory that you adhere to? Strange that you bring it up in relation to this.

I didn't say that people who don't agree with me on this can't think for themselves, just that many people don't think beyond what they are fed in the media, something that is sadly demonstrably true.

Yes I did. I think Michael Wolff mentioned it on The Daily Beast (Inside Trump's Head). Which is well worth a listen (it's on YT).

Just wondering about your feelings on this name OP given Lindsey Graham admitting yesterday that the actions in Venezuela and Iran are both all about getting a puppet Government in and the US can get the oil.
And now Trump has his sights set on Cuba....