Thread 42 Starmer : Du drikker en kop te, og så tænker du lidt over alting

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He hasn’t been ‘blocked’ from standing. That’s a media spin. The rules don’t allow him to stand.

Starmer was going to be criticised either way. In some ways I wouldn't blame him if he said fuck it and threw in the towel. He's getting shit in all directions.

@cardibach he asked to stand they voted against him standing? What rules are you talking about? Have I missed something

Burnham's statement

I am disappointed by today’s NEC decision and concerned about its potential impact on the important elections ahead of us.

To whoever becomes Labour’s candidate and to our members in Manchester and Tameside: you will have my full support in this fight and I will be there whenever you need me.

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Tomorrow I will return with full focus to my role as Mayor of Greater Manchester, defending everything we have built in our city-region over many years.

I decided to put myself forward to prevent the divisive politics of Reform damaging that. We are stronger together and let’s stay that way. 💪🏻

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Thing with AB standing was the media would have a suitable
negative spin either way.

Stand - Labour on leadership crisis and no confidence in Starmer. Labour costing £1.5m in new mayor elections during a COL crisis.

not allowed to stand - Labour in crisis and infighting blah blah blah.

I do think he should stand again - but after his mayoral role has terminated and closer to the time of the new leadership bid. I like
him and I think he’ll get things done.

But timing is everything

Its to do with "If a candidates selection will lead to significant additional electoral costs, that is to be considered too"

The Mayoral election would cost tax payers £1.4m

NEC made that judgement call.

That of course will be ignored and it'll be "Starmer's running scared..."

I am not 100% convinced cost was the main reason for the vote but losing that mayoralty would hurt Labour. Manchester appears to be doing ok.
I agree It will be a media frenzy either way and will disgruntle those who wanted him to stand and Starmer will be stuck either way. It is a shame it has happened right now. I think Starmer has had a good few weeks recently managing the orange one and this will overshadow that news somewhat.

Rules around already holding a post for one thing.

Well, well, well.
Crashing economy etc, etc, etc.
https://www.dissmercury.co.uk/news/national/25790455.uk-business-growth-jumps-21-month-high/#

I think Starmer has had a good few weeks recently managing the orange one and this will overshadow that news somewhat

I agree. Burnham let his ego get the better of him to the detriment of the government and Starmer.

Id buy war bonds. Its pragmatic but...
Presumably any way bonds issues would still add to the overall national debt. So rather than going over budget by 20 billion because of defence spending and adding that to the overall UK debt, the government would separately issue bonds ringfenced for defence only. But the headline amount "UK debt at X amount/at Y percentage of the GDP" would look the same either way?

I don't think it's a bad idea still because you are making it very clear where the money is going. But it's not a magic bullet for government spending woes.

I can't help but imagine Farages mates will have their sticky little fingers in the pie somehow.

I am of an age to remember when it was "necessary" to pay banks to underwrite privatisations Apparently it was needed just in case the IPO didn't fully sell. The banks would have to pay the opening price for the leftowvers.

Come 1987 when the stock market crashed and the BP privatisation looked like it could not be completely sole, and all these banks were begging to postpone the sale as they might be forced to make good on the underwriting.

To be fair to Nigel Lawson, he told them to jog on. But it left a very bad taste.

@SerendipityJane I remember when a Chancellor of the Exchequer had his credit card denied when purchasing wine. Not Rachel BUT

Norman Lamont. Black Wednesday.

Thanks for the new thread Duncin.
I think our PM digging in shows that inner core of strength and back bone that he has.
He is doing the right thing, imo, and whatever his options the press rage on.
They must live in a different world to the rest of us mortals if they cannot see the dangers we are in.
pic is Standing with Giants installation Fort Nelson. For our brave servicemen and women, we thank you. The best of the best .

Thank you for the new thread! Tax a photo from my week away catching some winter sun!
I think it would be good to get Burnham into Parliament ahead of the next Election but I think it was just abit too early!
Yes KS has had a couple of good weeks but he’s so unpopular out there, Labour need a credible alternative in the wings!

I would have been very surprised if Tennyson did do rain, from all the photos and descriptions you have provided.

Cat tax paid by proxy- it's not my cat.

That we petal needs a good groom @LlynTegid

This is the weekend of Labour North West conference. I've been before in Blackpool - great weekend. And Ed Miliband spoke as the leader then. Very warm welcome for him.

I'm glad as well that Burnham wasn't selected. There's many outstanding Labour councillors who could win that seat.

Local Labour group is mainly panicking about Reform taking over and leaving the party - we're North West. It doesn't make any sense.

Thanks for the new thread @DuncinToffee .
Checking in.
I'm glad about Burnham as well. It was the wrong time.

Photo is a tweet by Laila Cunningham. I mea, WTAF is she trying to say..

Here it is. Its very bizarre. What does this even mean? I know its a riff on the Trump meme, but that made no sense either.

It's not showing yet but I have seen it. Truly bizarre

And the footprints are not right.🐧

Is it this one @Cheguevarahamster. Guessed correctly. Didn't see the photo - bit of a glitch earlier.

Bizarre photo.

Copying Trump. Yes, I can see why Londoners would love that.

😂.

Mountains of madness?
Penguin derangement (real thing)?
Climate catastrophe?

Strange lady