What do women who want a family do now we all think men are useless?

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It's OK for me to think 'fuck 'em'. I'm old. Been there. Done that. Had the family and the divorce.

BUT if you're heterosexual AND want a family but realise that most men (#notallmen) are not viable options, what DO you do/plan to do?

Genuinely interested.

I have 3 friends who were approaching their late 30’s and hadn’t found a man they were prepared to settle for so went the sperm donor route and did it on their own.

MOST men are not 'viable options'?

That reads to me like a direct equivalent of what the incels would say the other way around, tbh.

I also know of a few women who have gone down the sperm donor route, having not met anyone by their late 30s (not because they think men are useless).

I also know of a couple who have frozen their eggs.

I know several fantastic, attractive, interesting, successful women in their late 30s who have little luck dating - honestly I think it’s because by that point, they just can’t be arsed to have to compromise. And fair enough really.

Not easy to have a baby on your own though..!

Accept the loss
and live a fabulous life not washing a useless lump’s underwear, cooking and cleaning and listening to why you aren’t good enough because you won’t anal fuck

So many men have gone down the Tate/far right rabbit hole on the internet it's hardly surprising women aren't wanting to shack up with them. So many studies showing men don't think women's rights should be important, etc.

I know 2 women who have had donor conception (very open with the kids) and they have each other to help out as happened 2 yrs between so similar aged kids. That works very well actually and I can see communities of women going it alone being the way forward. The women of similar ages who had partners for years and married are mostly divorced with about half not getting any maintenance. Only perk of that is they get a free weekend and weeknight when the ex bothers to be a parent. Usually they argue over coparenting details of schools etc, so I can see why that's not particularly enticing as a prospect.

We don’t think all men are useless

It's a goady post assuming all women think the same way and are extremist - prob some incel scraping AI.

Yes, this.

It’s a good question and what I think might become more the norm is two heterosexual women living together to work as an actual team using sperm donors.

I don’t think raising a male child is fair if your attitude is that adult males are useless. Along with donor are women choosing female embryos?

But statistically many men aren’t. We have the stats, we know this. We know most people in prison are men, we know that most nrp who don’t contribute financially either are men. We KNOW this. I’m not sure what parentage of men that makes up, but that equivalent percentage of women DO NOT have a viable option. It isn’t saying all men are useless, of course many are wonderful, but to not talk about what to do with the ones that are, helps no one.

Anyone stupid enough to think just over half the world's population are one homogeneous group, probably shouldn't procreate anyway.

WTF? It's not genetic engineering!
Some women use IVF and some pair up with gay friends.
Just because the men our age have misogynistic views doesn't mean donor kids without their involvement will. In fact these women often want to raise men to be more balanced for the future.
Unlike Musk with his sex bot AI fakeness where men choose to have submissive women, raising the bar for men by having them act humanely might actually help the future of the human race.

Political lesbianism is a viable option I would say, I know you stated you are heterosexual but according to the Kinsey scale all women are to some degree open to physical relationships with other women. If you can get over the initial hurdle that comes with living in a heteronormative society for most of your life I think you would be delighted with the companionship opportunities.

I'm in this exact situation in my early thirties. I hold onto the hope of meeting a man who is kind-hearted and wants a family.

Years of dating have left me with the somewhat pessimistic (but I like to think it's just realistic) view that relationships don't have to last forever, and that finding someone who will be a good father regardless of whether we're a couple longterm is ultimately what's important.

Not that that's my goal, I'd love to meet someone who I could build a family with and stay together longterm to raise children, but from what I've seen in my own expereiwnce and around me, people in longterm relationships / marriages have put up with a lot of bad bahviour (both female and male friends).

I have ended relationships because of behaviour that I couldn't look past (cheating, drug use, sudden interest in Andrew Tate...) which I see others tolerating, so maybe my 'fussiness' will ultimately mean that I don't have a family. But that's a sacrifice I'd make.

Sometimes it feels unlikely that I'll meet someone and dating apps certainly don't seem to be the way forward, but I have hope! I often ponder adopting a child alone but would need to give that some more thought.

Great question to get people thinking, interested to see other thoughts.

I Think we will see women freezing their eggs/embryos as younger women and perhaps working and enjoying single life up to perimenopause age, then opting to have children at later stages when they've built up savings, already home owners or nearly paid off and have time to step back from work to take care of their children.

It’s 50/50 these man haters would have a son so I don’t think they should risk it. For the child’s sake. Do you think society produces good boys and men when those boys have no positive male role medals/fathers?

No I’m sorry but the poster you quoted is indeed correct. You can try and raise a boy in as much of a anti-masculine manner as you like, but society innately will override you and your precious child will most probably at some point go on to hurt a woman in some manner or other. It is inevitable.

There are degrees of uselessness! DP might not be the best at cleaning behind him but he does a lot of good things and treats me well.
Also, who says that we are somehow less useless than men? I can be a right PITA and im useless at maths but that ok.
not sure i agree with this very binary view of most men are useless and most women are not useless.
i think women are angry and for a reason! Single mums have all the rights to be angry, being left alone to raise the kids.
women are still discriminated against, looked at how kate garraway was portrayed in the traitors when actually stephen fry and David were absolutely useless and got every weong but no-one is saying they were useless.
so yes, i am angry but i try to lead my life and try to speak out to rectify injustice.
not sure how useful it is to make statements like “all men are useless” it is certainly easier than to actually say “excuse me, this was my idea, my place in the line, please move back”

If the man has misogynistic views, which is very common these days, it's not worth the risk of them having a girl, either, by your logic.

I don't think that is true at all. There are men who are nice and decent, just sadly not the ones with money and influence in this shitshow with AI and billionaires.

Losing humanity for profit is not the end goal.

The other option of course is to widen your dating pool to exclusively non British men. The calibre on offer is night and day really, British men are just awful.

It’s a valid point based on today’s absent father children; but, what if it was the norm that a ‘family’ can be 2 heterosexual women?

Just because the men our age have misogynistic views doesn't mean donor kids without their involvement will.

So how do you explain men born to single parent mothers, who turn out to be misogynists?

Can you suggest some nationalities then?

Or are you just being bigoted/xenophobic for the sake of it?