Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World

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And POC and gay people. All deliberate.

Trump wont introduce high tariffs, thats inflationary and will mean US services/products will be hit in return.

Interestingly enough his "day 1" tariffs are now "February 1st (maybe)"

Quite a few commentators are saying that the bond markets are going to constrain him - as they did Truss. On the basis that fascists think they are clever I am presuming there is already a "Libtard Bond Markets" media offensive in the offing. Remember "the blob" ?

Thus far Trump has shown few signs of consistency if you don't believe the truth. So from smashing all the GOP voters who put him there (and boy are they scared now) to flip flopping on this that or the other, it's all in the one thing we know is consistent. Trump is providing for Trump and that is what everyone around him needs to to. Or they are out. He's a very simple man. He wants enormous - possibly unprecedented - wealth. Because once you have that you can buy whatever else you want. Including the other thing he wants, which is to never go to jail.

The signature picture of the inauguration - that parade of cunts, Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg and Bezos. Was a picture of 4 men, each of which thinks they have one up on the other three. However only one of them knows his intent is to bleed the other 3 until they are never a threat again. Which in US terms can be quite a final decision.

So it's no skin of Trumps nose if markets dive. The dollar tanks. There is trading chaos. All the more scope for him to grift baby grift. There is no concept of collateral damage because when your sole belief is yourself, nobody else exists, let alone matters.

Why can't we as a nation be better at actual giving our population the knowledge of how our country and it's systems work?

Who says we don't ?

We teach people to read. We teach them to write. Some pay attention, learn and then proceed to educate themselves. It's what I did, and believe you me I had fuck all advantages in life.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" is oft quoted because it's true. No matter what you may think about the actual implementation, we still have free access to information if we want.

If people chose to remain ignorant, then they are quite free to. The only thing that has changed in the decades is now they get to announce their ignorance to the world and make people like Farage and Trump realise that this has never been a better time to fleece the stupid. And boy have they bought the farm.

My personal view is that social media platforms should be gagged in the same way as main stream media, so there is no confusion.
Of course, people like Elon Musk who profit from the current Wild West of social media must know this is a legal vacuum and hence they are trying to fight their corner.
When actually, as I tried to explain yesterday, foreign bad actors can exploit these situations and lack of laws, very easily by simply retweeting stuff and feeding the algorithms.
The whole system needs regulation and is a threat to our rule of law. In my opinion.

And then there is of course, this case.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Yaxley-Lennon-Summary-of-reasons-contempt-of-court-sanction.pdf

This is controversial, but I even think posters on MN should really be ID checked at the outset.

My personal view is that social media platforms should be gagged in the same way as main stream media, so there is no confusion.

When you have invented the technology to deliver that, yes ....

You appear to be walking a young African hunting dog!! 🤣
Which is cool as they are rare and need their numbers boosting.

Oh and thanks for the thread all. It has cheered me up

Like I said yesterday @SerendipityJane - we should be ambitious to be the leaders on cyber security etc and the tech involved. Given both our strengths in law, finance, diplomacy etc and our universities.

I’m told it’s a Frenchie cross, but who knows? She’s got very huge ears and a lovely disposition. Don't think she’ll be in the home long!

You couldn't pm me where the rescue she is in is could you?

I have a weird feeling of deja vu here.

"Get the platforms to do it" - which is fast becoming "Just google it" as a flip off response.

By all means try to hold the platforms to account - although good luck getting any laws through now they have bought the politicians. But even if you were to do that, then you still have to face the capitalist problem that someone has to pay for it. And obviously you can't expect the platforms to pay for it - how else could they get to be so rich ?

If the platforms aren't going to pay for it, then it would fall on the users. Who would become customers, rather than products. Only you can bet your life that any attempt to charge users would be portrayed as "censorship" and some bollocks about human rights. Just look at all the US blubbing over TikTok. Something people don't even pay for.

Eventually all social media will become equally corrupt. At which point it's use to the elite will fall away until they can resurrect something that people can trust again.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

Oh yes, i do get that but again, if we're leaving it up to people as an option then people won't take it up. I just think maybe having something more defined earlier would help with many things including things like spotting propaganda and so on.

I agree with you though - people do choose to remain ignorant. My biggest realisation over the last 10 years has been not only the sheer amount of uneducated people but how many of them don't WANT to learn more if it goes against their preconceived notions. I just wish it didn't effect others...

people do choose to remain ignorant.

And deserve every ounce of contempt I - and others - help upon them.

And if that sounds #beunkind, then remember, that's all I have. But others out there - the Farages, Trumps, Musks and all other grifting narcissists - will dupe them, fleece them, abuse them, betray them; Then finally - given the chance - sacrifice them in a fight they have no idea why.

I worked with a guy once. Heard him spouting nonsense about the Polish, including how we had to fight them in WW2. I spent a good time explaining that was wrong, and with a little Google, and reference to a local landmark growing up (The Polish War Memorial) he was corrected.

Two days later was spouting the same shite when they thought I was out of earshot.

it does feel never ending doesn't it?

unfortunately for these kinds of people, they're happily ignorant. They see being educated as a bad thing and accuse those who are as brainwashed etc.

It's just so frustrating that their stupid decisions don't only impact themselves, i have to live with the consequences of their actions.

On a different topic ...

For people like myself who only learned there is a debate on PR next Monday

(This isn't an explicit petition, so I hope I am sailing within MN rules)

https://makevotesmatter.org.uk/write-to-your-mp/

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-content/time-for-tech-firms-to-act-uk-online-safety-regulation-comes-into-force/

unfortunately for these kinds of people, they're happily ignorant. They see being educated as a bad thing

T'was ever thus. Having only grown up in the UK, I have no idea if it's peculiar to England, Britain, Europe, "The West". But it is pernicious.

I'll never forget a quote from a teacher friend ... "It's worrying how good clever children are at playing stupid when they realise it keeps them safe". Heartbreaking and worrying in equal measures.

I agree with you though - people do choose to remain ignorant. My biggest realisation over the last 10 years has been not only the sheer amount of uneducated people but how many of them don't WANT to learn more if it goes against their preconceived notions. I just wish it didn't effect others...

Agree 100%

In the spirit of reconciliation, I will wait for the results to come in.

Obviously there are some objective metrics provided so we can tell if it works or not. No one would be so fucking stupid as to take a press release and no target as proof of anything, would they ?

Blimey. Via Politico: "ConHome [has] revealed that Kemi Badenoch has plummeted to seventh place in its regular survey of members about who is the best in the shadow cabinet. The online Tory bible said her sudden drop from the top spot was a “dramatic shift however you slice it.”

https://bsky.app/profile/josiah.writes.news/post/3lgdvqx2qnk23

Wow ! Nobody saw that coming !!

Best post of the year on another thread.

Starmer has...
changed everything the very competent Tories had put in order over the last 14 years.

Priceless.

I think that was sarcasm, maybe too subtle

You may be right - it's becoming difficult to tell 🤣.

Hey folks, Starmer is sending us to war now!😱
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5258228-to-be-alarmed-at-starmers-plans

It was sarcasm, but it took me a moment!