Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World

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There was a poster the other day who was really put out to be informed that the higher your level of education, the more likely you are to vote left. And even more put out by being presented with evidence from Yougov - because it was founded by a Tory.

The knife crime thread is troubling me because so many people seem to find it amusing to name silly weapons of choice and to pivot the thread to ridicule the OP.

I find nothing about knives funny.

I’m a card carrying gender critical Terfy Terfster but I just shouted at the telly when Kemi Badenoch claimed to have held JK Rowling aloft and “stopped rapists being put in women’s prisons”. No you didn’t. Stop lying.
And all the other twaddle she spouted. Dear God.

She worked in McDonald, did you know

She was as bad as in PMQs

How is she able to state things like that on national tv?
Unbelievable.

I don’t usually watch Party Political broadcasts but I’ve been ignoring social media over the past few days and avoiding all but the merest surface smidge of current affairs so I thought I’d better join in rl a bit again. Fuck me, the news is grim. DH is fighting a battle of wits with unarmed men re climate change on social media - all credit to him, because I can’t be fucked with it all any more.

Yes I thought it was satire.

If it wasn't - lord help us 😂

That thread is nuts.

It is and I don't recognise any of the Tory's don't get offended but Labour supporters do.

I'm probably one of the least Labour supporters here (as in I like many of their ideology but I'm very centric) and yet I'm probably one of the few that like Starmer the most.

Yet Labour supporters get accused of standing up for Starmer whatever. I see the total opposite.

Cat pictures eh?

I can't quite work out if that poster is being serious. The whole thread is a mish mash of lunacy.

I rest my case about no longer being able to tell the difference between sarcasm and lunacy on those threads.

As a daughter, wife and mother of military veterans, I find that fucking offensive. It's so far off base it's almost satirical, just in poor taste.it shows they are incapable of independent thought.

Gosh. I haven't had a deletion in a long time!

I've had more in the last few weeks than I had in the last 15 years. I don't think my style of posting has changed much, but when you report conspiracy and misinformation which is allowed to stand and are told to challenge robustly on the thread, you challenge robustly and get deleted.

There is so much disinformation being posted that the site would be full of holes and unreadable if they were to delete it, so it's easier to let it stand.

We may have grown up near each other - there was a Polish memorial near where I grew up - though I guess there’s likely more than one. Staffordshire?

I thought it was too, though I had to read it twice…

Big one at South Ruislip, although I'm aware of the one at Lichfield too.

I like Starmer as a man but not particularly his politics and am well left of centre - and I say this frequently. I think I am still a 'usual suspect' and a 'Starmerista'.

I do not like any politicians (or their supporters) who are serious womanisers and have multiple marriages and scandals. There is a saying “if a man shows you who they are, believe them”.

Their politics aside, the question for me is always would you be friends with this person and trust them. If the answer is distinctly no, then I am not going to like them.
I do not mind Starmer, nor his politics. He seems to be a solid character overall. I do not think some of his policies will work as intended, that is a different matter.

I think most of us are on their list.

I'd love to know where @Derxa (how is your husband doing by the way?), fits in their narrative. She is a regular on these threads and is definitely not a Starmer fan, however, her reasons are sound and I respect that, and like the position that she brings.

Anyone who engages in genuine debate and discussion in good faith will bring a viewpoint to the table, it's funny how many choose to snipe from afar. You have a group of people who have followed British politics for a number of years, why be surprised when they individually find their way onto other threads? Why also be surprised that they defend, not the government, but the lies and misinformation being posted by short term users?

I think the problem is that disinformation - creating fake news deliberately versus misinformation - reading stuff and being gullible & influenced by algorithms on eg X and then questioning it on a site like MN to get a view - well, it is not always clear which one it is.
And perhaps knowingly spreading the fake news or stupidly spreading the fake news, people do not like being called up on it. And then add in political bias and the newspapers people read, and lack of critical thinking, perfect shit storm all round.
And then add in the financial motivation of most social media sites to attract advertising, it is discombobulating all round.

And then add in that apparently the lefties love to throw the word “misinformation” around - another cliche and those on the right throw in the word “free speech” - the lines are very quickly blurred.

No, it's on the A40 just by RAF Northolt in West London. Traffic reports on Capital Radio from "The Flying Eye" would often mention tailbacks into London "as far as the Polish War Memorial".

It's iconic and I grew up knowing why it was there.

Yes - I lived close to the Northolt (South Ruislip) one for quite a while too. Hello neighbour 😁.