Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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At last! Mind you, that won't mean anything unless the actual body of the inspection is changed too but it's a good start.

She had a really bruising inspection that left her very fragile, and that word 'Inadequate', she went over and over it, writing it down," Prof Waters said of her sister.

Id like to see "bruising inspections" become a thing of the past.

This was from the Met Office on Saturday. Demonstrates that means testing the winter fuel payment will have a far greater effect on Scotland than the South

And don't get me started on the fact that the areas that generate the power pay far more for their power than those in the South East

Badenoch is launching her campaign today, apparently by attacking David Tennant

Yeah that'll win people over to her.

I can't bear DT but even I would be put off someone doing that.

Apparently Badenoch currently only has 11 MPs backing her.

Cleverly wants to abolish stamp duty because he thinks it will help turn young people into capitalists, according to the Telegraph. They really don’t seem to get it, tinkering round the edges with single policies won’t cut it, their entire offer needs a rethink.

Exactly - you can’t blame all the world’s ills (and your governmental failures) on immigrants if you’ve deported them all, can you?

Just imagine the sainted Kemi failing to make the last two. Delicious thought. 😉

Given most contracts are invariably "heads we win, tails you lose" in the agents favour, this does imply they really did fuck him over on this one. Let's see if they sue.

(I did say the moment I knew agents were involved, it would be on them).

Which does leave you wondering who the other 10 are.

(Very niche A. Eddington reference there. Maybe there is something wrong with me. 😀)

Given they have 37 seats in Scotland I don't think they can ignore this.

It will make sweet FA difference . Labour doesn't need the Scottish Labour votes. They have an enormous majority even without them.

And there’s another five years before the next election. I wonder if there’s a deliberate policy to get all the unpopular shit out of the way right at the beginning so it’s forgotten by the time we go to the polls again.

Something that was pointed out before the elections - with associated questions as to how it may play out. (I don't recall much debate though).

Labours fuck you majority totally destroyed the usual Tory carping about "needing" Scottish votes to ram through English legislation. However it also pretty much makes a case for independence permanent.

With the Tories decline into the footnotes of history, the various tensions of the devolved nations will have to be reshaped. It's quite possible that the replacement for the Tories does spring from a particularly Scottish way of "not being Labour".

We live in interesting times.

It's mathematically the case that the Scottish MPs have almost never made a difference to the colour of the Westminster government.

Ironically, one of the few occasions was May's disastrous 2017 election, when the 13 Scottish Conservative seats (an increase of 12 from the previous election ) gave May enough seats to bribe the DUP into a confidence and supply deal and allow her to form a Government . But even if every single Scottish seat had gone to Labour (as opposed to the 7 that they did win), the Conservatives would still have been the largest party

It's a useful trope though for the Labour Party though

It does beg the question what is the use of sending any MPs to Westminster to Scotland if their overall efficacy is like a strand of cress in a vindaloo.

To be fair to the Americans (not something I do lightly) the setup of the senate where every state has equal representation does counter the weight-of-numbers issues that Westminster has.

Ultimately, Scotlands problem (unlike Wales, ironically) is it was never conquered in war. Much as they might like the narrative to shift shortbread, the political union of England and Scotland was - by the standard of they day - a peaceful one. <cough> Darien <cough>

Yes it is. A year of really difficult, nasty decisions. Though any government with sense does the tough stuff early because after an election is as good as it gets, you are as popular as you will ever be.

It also helps if the policies to save money have a disproportionate effect on the cold North as they don't really matter

Oh I think this government will piss off lots of people; they certainly have stuck to their working people mantra from the election. Is it a calculated political risk? Very likely, because pensioners don’t vote Labour in significant numbers.

The other thing about pensioners is that it’s a certainty that some of them will be dead by the next election.

And the Shadow Ed Sec was on the news saying it was taking away vital information. FFS. How much ignorance of the process?

That affects all parties.

The underlying direction of travel is that at the bottom, there are no new Tory voters being created. And that isn't really going to change.

So you have a Tory party that doesn't know it lost 240 seats (let alone why) chasing an ever shrinking pool of voters over the next 4 years. Despite all the hyperbole (from Reform), Reform aren't going anywhere fast.

Which means if you want a long odds bet, put it on getting more LibDem MPs next election. At both parities expense.

If you are of a cruel nature, you could suggest that this is the LibDems payback for 2010-2015, and that maybe the Tories aren't quite as clever as they thought they were.

My DM always puzzled over how the Liberals faded as Labour rose in the 20s. Like a lot of people she was naturally a Liberal, but also a realist.

Watching the Badenoch launch. It’s odd. And quite self centred, even for a politician!

I wonder how credible it is to say that you were part of a government which you claim governed left and that was wrong. She was in it and not that influential???

Full marks for pure brass neck

A total irrelevance. Whoever "wins" (you have to question the prize) won't be leader for the next election. They may not even be an MP.

Still, if the media want devote hour-acres of coverage to this sidehow, it reduces how much shit they can punt about the government. A sort of cunts dilemma, if you will.

It genuinely astounds me that the tories are even considering any of the candidates for leadership. The public have told them unequivocably that they despise the former tory government and will not vote for them. All of them, not just Sunak. They are looking to elect a leader from a pool of losers and banking on the public forgetting what absolute fuckwits they've been.