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Thread 6 Starmer: We're going to need a bigger skip!

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InMySpareTime · 19/08/2024 14:34

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prettybird · 02/09/2024 11:58

Indeed @SerendipityJane

Blair only became an MP in 1983, 4 years into Thatcher's government she of the blessed portrait Wink, Cameron only became an MP in 2001, 4 years into Blair's government and Keir Starmer only became an MP in 2015, 5 years after Cameron became PM.

So the next Conservative PM if indeed there ever will be one Wink probably hasn't even been elected as an MP yet Shock

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2024 12:00

prettybird · 02/09/2024 11:58

Indeed @SerendipityJane

Blair only became an MP in 1983, 4 years into Thatcher's government she of the blessed portrait Wink, Cameron only became an MP in 2001, 4 years into Blair's government and Keir Starmer only became an MP in 2015, 5 years after Cameron became PM.

So the next Conservative PM if indeed there ever will be one Wink probably hasn't even been elected as an MP yet Shock

With a bit of luck they’re still at school.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 12:14

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2024 12:00

With a bit of luck they’re still at school.

Unlikely.

14 years of perfect Tory rule have ensure that upcoming generations have no connection with the party that shafted them, shat on then, and blamed their parents for it all while ensure they are forced to live with debts that small countries had in the 70s and nothing to show for it except a hole where the house they would have bought now stands.

The slow death of the Tory party does answer the question about "how stupid are people ?". Which is "not stupid enough to every vote Tory".

This ultimate decline is far more seismic than it may seem, if you have a certain view of history (like wot I do). The English establishment has endured nearly a millennia with very little serious disruption. The ruling class has pretty much remained intact, in charge and in ownership through all of it. Including a civil war and removal of the Monarchy. It is the cultural equivalent of what the Normans did in stone with castles. And therefore a model to all other nations around the world where a ruling elite wanted to know the secrets of "how do we keep our shit no matter what happens ?".

Remember of all England that William the Bastard dished out in 1066, a lot still belongs to the descendants of those families.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2024 12:24

I know it’s unlikely. It was a joke.

Cheguevarahamster · 02/09/2024 12:37

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2024 10:09

And there’s another five years before the next election. I wonder if there’s a deliberate policy to get all the unpopular shit out of the way right at the beginning so it’s forgotten by the time we go to the polls again.

That was my thought too. Shit before jam. (otherwise known as the Devon method.).

BustingBaoBun · 02/09/2024 12:38

I honestly thought this was a parody when I saw this...

James Cleverly has formally launched his Tory leadership bid with a endorsement from Former Secretary of State for Defence Grant Shapps

I mean.... REALLY?!! Hahaha.... 'Cleverly for Leader'. I'm falling around laughing

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1830569981517734192

x.com

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1830569981517734192

ilovesooty · 02/09/2024 12:48

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 09:43

Which does leave you wondering who the other 10 are.

(Very niche A. Eddington reference there. Maybe there is something wrong with me. 😀)

Chris Philp
Nigel Huddleston
Ben Spencer
Gareth Bacon
Angela Richardson

apparently. Not sure about the others.

DuncinToffee · 02/09/2024 12:49

Jenrick and Badenoch now well ahead on public endorsements from fellow Conservative MPs:

Jenrick: 16
Badenoch: 13
Stride: 7
Tugendhat: 7
Cleverly: 5
Patel: 5

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1830556158945321380

DuncinToffee · 02/09/2024 12:51

They all are going to change the Conservative party

Into what?

Zonder · 02/09/2024 12:51

DuncinToffee · 02/09/2024 12:51

They all are going to change the Conservative party

Into what?

Into something even worse, I expect.

Zonder · 02/09/2024 12:52

MrTiddlesTheCat · 02/09/2024 11:54

It genuinely astounds me that the tories are even considering any of the candidates for leadership. The public have told them unequivocably that they despise the former tory government and will not vote for them. All of them, not just Sunak. They are looking to elect a leader from a pool of losers and banking on the public forgetting what absolute fuckwits they've been.

I think their one hope would be some new kind of Rory Stewart figure, standing out from the crowd. Fortunately I don't think they have anyone like that at the moment, and they didn't vote for him when they did.

Notonthestairs · 02/09/2024 13:00

"Remember of all England that William the Bastard dished out in 1066, a lot still belongs to the descendants of those families."

Yep, fascinating to think 0.3% of the population own two thirds of the country.

cardibach · 02/09/2024 13:36

From this article:
“In Manchester, the sentencing of a 12-year-old twice, who cannot be named due to his age, involved in the violence was adjourned because his mother has gone on holiday to Ibiza.”
Ignoring the poor sentence structure 🙄
Is it any wonder this lad got involved in questionable activities? Blimey.

Elodie9 · 02/09/2024 13:50

@Blossomtoes
I got your joke.
I am very excited to be going to PMQ's next wednesday, never been in the Houses of Parliament before.

DuncinToffee · 02/09/2024 14:03

cardibach · 02/09/2024 13:36

From this article:
“In Manchester, the sentencing of a 12-year-old twice, who cannot be named due to his age, involved in the violence was adjourned because his mother has gone on holiday to Ibiza.”
Ignoring the poor sentence structure 🙄
Is it any wonder this lad got involved in questionable activities? Blimey.

The article updated from when I posted it. That mother seems to follow a pattern, other rioters prioritised holidays too. Poor kid.

The excuses for Connolly, she is not that kind of person Confused

dontcallmelen · 02/09/2024 14:04

Ooh Elodie9 report back very exciting.
depressing the news on the 12year old boy, as for the Tory candidates fuckwits in one place, Jenrick is just so pompous self righteous & spiteful probably all the qualities the possible new Tory leader requires.

bombastix · 02/09/2024 14:05

Mrs Connolly is hoping for a suspended sentence on the basis she is nice! Let us see on that one

Cheguevarahamster · 02/09/2024 14:38

Elodie9 · 02/09/2024 13:50

@Blossomtoes
I got your joke.
I am very excited to be going to PMQ's next wednesday, never been in the Houses of Parliament before.

Last time I was there (unfortunately) Laurence Fox was in the gallery.The arrival of the speaker is great fun. Enjoy it!

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 15:02

MrTiddlesTheCat · 02/09/2024 11:54

It genuinely astounds me that the tories are even considering any of the candidates for leadership. The public have told them unequivocably that they despise the former tory government and will not vote for them. All of them, not just Sunak. They are looking to elect a leader from a pool of losers and banking on the public forgetting what absolute fuckwits they've been.

It is a very real possibility that the person who next leads whatever the Tory party morphs into, to victory has not yet been born.

pointythings · 02/09/2024 15:08

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 15:02

It is a very real possibility that the person who next leads whatever the Tory party morphs into, to victory has not yet been born.

That sounds pretty good to me.

TheABC · 02/09/2024 15:09

The tory leader competition is a side show. I'll pay attention after the next election, unless something seismic happens.

The Scottish MP question is more interesting. Just how much influence should the devolved nations have over the combined policy areas v English policy? After all, England has 57 million, compared to 5.5 million in Scotland, 3.2 million in Wales and 2 million in Northern Ireland. Its not surprising it will have a disproportionate number of MPs, and impact on policy.

Logically, now that each country in the UK has a Parliament, it would make sense to push devolution to its conclusion and split policy by nation within a federal framework. More flexibility at regional level, but a greater say per nation at federal.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 15:11

DuncinToffee · 02/09/2024 14:03

The article updated from when I posted it. That mother seems to follow a pattern, other rioters prioritised holidays too. Poor kid.

The excuses for Connolly, she is not that kind of person Confused

She's full of shit. So a lying racist too. at least we get to call her out on it.

"The prosecution case included evidence which showed that racist tweets were sent out from Mrs Connolly’s X account both in the weeks and months before the Southport attacks – as well as in the days after.

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 15:13

The Scottish MP question is more interesting. Just how much influence should the devolved nations have over the combined policy areas v English policy? After all, England has 57 million, compared to 5.5 million in Scotland, 3.2 million in Wales and 2 million in Northern Ireland. Its not surprising it will have a disproportionate number of MPs, and impact on policy.

As an ex-pat Londoner, people hate it when I point out that Londons population exceeds any of the devolved nations. (London is a weird city, admittedly).

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2024 15:28

SerendipityJane · 02/09/2024 15:02

It is a very real possibility that the person who next leads whatever the Tory party morphs into, to victory has not yet been born.

I did think of that.