Taylor Swift Cancels Concerts

[Swisscave]

Because of terrorist threats

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13720619/Taylor-Swift-CANCELS-Austria-concerts-terror-arrest.html

It’ll be waaaaaaaay too cold for an open air stadium show in Vienna in December… if it’s rescheduled at all I would imagine it won’t be before next spring.

It wasn't a civil war- but if you want to argue that suggest you start your own thread. The IRA was a terrorist organisation.

The IRA was indeed a terrorist organisation. As were the UVF and the UDA. You'll find very mixed views on the Army too.

If you know anything about NI, you'll know that referring to even the IRA as "related to Ireland" is a vast and offensive over simplification of the history here, the events that led to the Troubles and the losses of the Troubles themselves. If you don't know that, then I sincerely recommend reading up on the history of the Troubles - many in GB seem unaware of that within their lifetimes the UK has had both a brutal war and a miraculous peace deal.

@WickieRoy MNs has taught most have no idea re The Troubles.

I also hate to say it too @tootyfruitypickle , but I don't think they'll reschedule either. The cost, and time, of shipping all the staging back over the Atlantic from the US where it's needed for existing dates, just for 3 nights in Vienna, means I think their only option is to cancel.

I'm so sorry you and yours are experiencing this. It must be awful. 😔

Yup. I'm here well over a decade and it still surprises me how little so many know of their own history. You'd think the GFA would be worth shouting from the rooftops!

https://news.sky.com/story/teen-suspected-of-plotting-taylor-swift-concert-attack-carried-out-concrete-preparatory-actions-13193116

3 suspects now, the youngest 15! How & why is this happening?

And yet there are so many experts on international disputes 😆😆

15, that’s so depressing.

These Far Right and racist men have no place in Western society.

I watched an absolutely heart stopping programme on the lead up to an arena attack. It focussed on teens and I found gave good insight into how and why

Really stuck with me. Obviously it’s just one version but I don’t think we’re paying enough attention to this reality

@EasternStandard what was it?

Because IS are good at online grooming, which begins with selecting from those they come across - looking for the vulnerable and manipulating them

It can’t be quite the same as the grooming by sexual predators, because the acts they want the targets to commit are so different; but there surely has to be similarities.

IS has not been attacking the West in recent years as frequently as before, but the reasons (hatred of the West and everything it stands for, desire to spread their version of the true way of living, willingness to eliminate others in that struggle) have stayed consistent.

I guess only the security experts will be able to assess if this is one-off, or a sign of renewed capabilities and strategy. And I guess they won’t be making those assessments public

But how do you persuade people to commit mass murder of innocents seemingly so quickly?

Surely at 15 parents or guardians have to be held in someway responsible for their children's online activity.. As a mother of teens, this is chilling..

It can be, anything that gives them maximum number of victims I suppose. But I always take into account that at 12, you cannot go to concerts that your parents do not approve of. So who your parents have in their ok list is of vital importance too, and we do know a bit about Taylor herself.
I can imagine the police is asking these sort of questions to the arrested as we speak.

But I always take into account that at 12, you cannot go to concerts that your parents do not approve of. So who your parents have in their ok list is of vital importance too, and we do know a bit about Taylor herself

I don’t think that is the case tbh.
I suppose TS is so big (partly because of the concert code nonsense) I do know more about her but I can’t say the same for Olivia Rodrigo Olivia Martinez, Sabrina Carpenter and I’d happily bring DD to their concerts without doing any background research on them. She is too young for Harry Styles but his drug taking wouldn’t have put me off taking her to his concerts. I don’t think the parents of TS fans are bringing them to concerts because they want their daughters to imitate her.

Saudi Arabia specifically speaks out against ISIS ( Daesh as they call it) as a terror organisation, shows that they definitely don’t approve of the terror group’s actions.

It would be headline news if it succeeded just like 9/11 or Manchester Arena. Young boys/men watching Andrew Tate or Isis or any other hate influencers are becoming a real issue.

Of course chopping up a journalist is entirely justified.

Swedish I think on Netflix I’ll try to think of name

To me it showed the grooming very well as mentioned in pp as it focuses on about 15, 16 year olds and their susceptibility

The idea that online radicalisation/ grooming is picking up is hugely concerning as they obviously don’t need to be in actual f2f contact

We were due to travel via London to Vienna and have non refundable train tickets and hotel booked in London. For anyone in London, is there certain areas we should avoid given the riots etc.

Surely it would take time to look into the teenager’s internet history?
How do they know for sure that he hasn’t been radicalised?

When the trial takes place, more might be made public.

It seems more suspicious now that three other teens have planned against Taylor Swift events.

Well done to Austrian police for finding out these threats before the event.

A major tragedy averted, hopefully.

Yes, the intelligence did very well. I also commend them for telling the truth matter of factly, it was a foiled IS terrorist attack & people need to be aware that these threats still very much exist. Transparency is key when dealing with the public.

https://news.sky.com/story/teen-suspected-of-plotting-taylor-swift-concert-attack-carried-out-concrete-preparatory-actions-13193116

Scary one of them had a job at the venue!