Strictly same sex couple (Nicola Adams) Not really a homophobe, it's just the mechanics that don't work....

[RumTruffles]

.....NOT MY WORDS. This was a conversation I overheard on Saturday night.

DW and I popped out for dinner for a child free evening. Was having a lovely time, before I unintentionally, but unavoidably tune in to a conversation at the next table.

A couple of brothers (I presume) had taken their mother out for dinner and the subject of Strictly and Nicola Adams came up. I tried hard to ignore, as I could tell this wasn't going to be something I wanted to hear.

One of the brothers, who was incredibly loud, stated that he "doesn't necessarily have an issue with the whole same sex thing but it's just the mechanics that don't work in a show like Strictly". Just the mechanics?! The mum went further and scoffed "Bah! Well the BBC have gone too far! I won't be watching Strictly again. They've lost me". Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. She then went much further and said one of the most disgusting things I'd ever heard "I mean, I was surprised they gave her a medal at the Olympics. It was obvious she was a lesbian even back then", to which all 3 of them mumbled in agreement.

I was about to say something, when the loud brother caught my eye and saw I was seething and he very abruptly steered the topic of conversation to something else.

Wise

I could feel my blood boiling. Do people really think like this?! Still?

I understand I am possibly throwing myself into the lions den somewhat, with the "controversial" strictly debate as I've seen this being discussed on here before a couple of years ago, but honestly, in 2020 are people still thinking that it looks "wrong" to see a couple of the same sex dancing?

The mother of course went to a totally different level of bigoted and is clearly just a horrible person, but it reminded me how this attitude still exists and it's f@#%ing depressing!

That's it really. Please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this attitude depressing as hell!

@Bbq1, yes and that point still stands. What Susan wanted has nothing to do with this discussion. You keep saying "Susan herself" as though she does speak for all of us. It was her decision and I respect that, but it genuinely is irrelevant to this.

FYI, Christopher Biggins doesn't agree with gay marriage (so I hear) and has no interest in getting married and believes civil partnerships are enough for gay people.

Yes, Christopher himself doesn't believe in equal marriage and given he's a gay man, I suppose that means we should all bow down and agree with him, yes?

Erm, no.

No, but it means someone can hold that opinion and not be an ignorant homophobic bigot.
It's far more nuanced than that.

No, but it means someone can hold that opinion and not be an ignorant homophobic bigot.
It's far more nuanced than that.

I’m not sure that ‘mechanics’ is very nuanced, is it?

At my all girls school we danced with other girls. Zero issues with ‘mechanics’.

The rest of the conversation seemed to indicate if perhaps wasn’t a terribly nuanced viewpoint and that perhaps ‘mechanics’ wasn’t really the issue at all......

There's certainly plenty of nuance, plenty of internalised homophobia and plenty of garden-variety homophobia in the world, that's for sure.

that was for @picklemewalnuts

@LaureBerthaud

Why is it super important to you that lesbians shouldn't be butch/femme?

It isn’t in the least bit important to me. OP talked about lesbians being asked which one is the man/woman by thugs.

Yes ... I didn't actually ask you about lesbians being asked which is the man, did I?

I asked why you're talking about butch/femme.

just was like Iikening it to the arguments for separate categories for men and women’s sport. Both categories are equally valid and the participants equally impressive, but they can’t be judged competitively against each other.

Bullshit.

The entire competition is men and women mixed.

A same sex dance pair won the last season of Danish Strictly. Silas Holst is wonderful ...