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Dating thread 152: onwards and upwards

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30somethingandsingle · 26/03/2019 15:05

Dating thread rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is you don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.

10. No dating the thread.
11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

And a reminder - you don't know them until you know them!
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30somethingandsingle · 26/03/2019 15:07
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30somethingandsingle · 26/03/2019 15:11

Lots of updates on the previous post that I'm trying to catch up on!

I'm supposed to be meeting Mr Fox for dinner on Thursday, but we aren't messaging much and it feels like a bit too much hard work so I may cancel.

I'm meeting Mr Guns tonight who is an old FWb. We haven't seen each other for a few months as I didn't want my exH to find out (they work together- sort of) but he's discreet and is good company.. oh and the sex isn't bad either Grin

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Man4allseasons · 26/03/2019 15:15

Thanks for the new thread 30something...

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JeSuisPrest · 26/03/2019 15:23

Thanks for the thread @30somethingandsingle have fun with MrGuns. Re MrFox, I'd still go on the date, he might just be really busy, unless you think he's being distracted and you're on the back burner?

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wishywashy6 · 26/03/2019 15:24

These threads move so quick at the moment!
Thanks for the new one 30something

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30somethingandsingle · 26/03/2019 15:52

@JeSuisPrest I think it's more a case of we don't have much in common and conversation doesn't seem to flow easily Confused

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JeSuisPrest · 26/03/2019 15:56

@30somethingandsingle In that case I'd sack it off citing Rule 8. You said you weren't feeling the chemistry after the awkward kiss anyway.

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richdeniro · 26/03/2019 16:27

A bit of a question/general wondering as to how some of you looking for longer term things react to first dates where the guy is clearly nervous and might come across as quite passive.

Had a therapy session today and basically came to the conclusion that my downfall is because when I am on a first date with someone who on paper ticks all my boxes and who I really like, I go automatically into people pleasing mode, get really nervous and completely come across as non-sexual/overly respectful.

I don't know how I'm going to stop this, I guess being aware of it is the first step but it just feels like something I can't control. The ironic thing being when I'm on a date with someone who doesn't immediately tick all my boxes or I go into it without the expectations they actually end up really liking me and want to take it further, being dtd or messages wanting another date. My therapist said what better validation could you ask for that when you're being totally yourself that they want you.

Is all hope lost in that first date? I know women in general (maybe that is a overgeneralisation though) think a lot more with their emotions and so spark/chemistry from a first date is very important.

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CassettesAreCool · 26/03/2019 17:26

rich because you tend to overthink things I guess you may have more luck if you try to get that first date in ASAP, ie before you even know if boxes are ticked?

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BatshitCrazyWoman · 26/03/2019 17:35

Thanks for the thread 30.

Mr Irish (Fab) can't do tonight because of a work thing (he told me last night), the other Fab guy (no idea what I called him!!) that I was meeting tomorrow is tied up in meetings and I'd have to hang around in work for about 2 hours until I could meet him so I've said no. Mr Copper (Fab) has stepped in to his place ...

POF has been a bit dull - oh except a guy messaging me three times (while I was at work) and when I didn't reply (because of work) called me a miserable cow ...

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wishywashy6 · 26/03/2019 17:46

Hmmm @richdeniro I don't know to be honest. As I said on the last thread, I find men who make it obvious they fancy me highly irritating and the thing I really liked about my now bf was that there was no reference to anything sexual and he was incredibly respectful both during chatting and on our first date. It meant we really had chance to find out about each other without any cringey flirting getting in the way.
For me personally, I have always found a strong attraction to personality over generic good looks. I mean yes, Tom Hardy is gorgeous but if I met him and he was a twunt I'd soon go off him. My school girl crushes were always on the class clowns (who in our school weren't the good looking ones! 😂) or guys I had a good friendships with, so for me I quite like a slow burner and would be prepared to develop a friendship with the potential to grow into something more. (I'm in no way suggesting you're an ugly mug btw, just saying that personality is way more attractive to me!)
In fact, I've never actually thought about it until you asked the question but every single relationship I've been in prior to OLD has stemmed from just being mates and then realising we'd developed feelings, never from any form of fancying/ flirting

Saying all that, the word 'passive' makes you sound uninterested so could that be where you're going wrong?? could the passiveness come across as just not interested?
Spark/ chemistry for me doesn't come with flirting or flattery or anything sexual in the early days, it comes from learning about someone. Stripping back the layers and getting to know what makes them tick. Once I've got an idea of that then it makes me more interested the physical connection.

Not sure if any of that is any help at all, just my opinion!!

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MyOldBrainStoppedWorking · 26/03/2019 18:13

richdeniro The last guy I dated was obviously very nervous on our first date. He barely looked at me. But he was polite, well dressed and when I asked him questions about himself, he was interesting to listen to.

So I gave the benefit of the doubt and went on a second date. He was a bit more relaxed this time. However, he never got a third date. Because he was quite happy to talk about himself when I asked but didn't pick up on any of my cues to ask things about me.

I put a lot of it down to nerves and trying too hard to sound interesting. I know from his texts that he liked me and wanted to see me again. But he came across differently in person. He was, as you described, trying to please me by answering my questions. But in the process forgot find out about me.

I'm echoing wishy's point here that flattery and flirting isn't always necessary. But showing an interest in getting to know your date is more important.

Maybe treat the first date as just a chat with a new friend. No expectations of anything more.

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Notcoolmum · 26/03/2019 18:15

Thanks for the new thread.

richdinero i’d Like a man to kiss me on the first date if he finds me attractive. I sort of assume he doesn’t fancy me if he’s not kissed me... what doesn’t passive look like?

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MehIAmKnackered · 26/03/2019 18:17

Holy cow you lot can chat...I was looking at thread 149 and now you're here 😂😂😂

rich have you looked at your Myers Briggs type?

www.16personalities.com

I found this massively helpful in self-understanding, and allowing myself to be me and getting over the people pleasing default I'd acquired over time.

Ps I'm ENFP, if you know any INTJ men out there please point them in my direction apparently we are a brilliant match 😂😂

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MyOldBrainStoppedWorking · 26/03/2019 18:20

Notcoolmum what if you don't find your date attractive?
I think I've only kissed 1 man on the first date and ended up dating him for nearly a year.
Otherwise, I end the date thinking 'please don't try and kiss me'.
I'd rather wait and see if we both agree on a second date before any kissing.

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ccgirr · 26/03/2019 18:26

Rich- I agree with cassettes do the date first date quick so you don’t know if ticks all boxes. Then you look interested finding out.
Maybe we don’t need all boxes ticked all the time. I like ultra confident but think nerves show they interested so would expect some.

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wishywashy6 · 26/03/2019 18:28

See notcool I prefer to make the first move rather than a guy try to kiss me.
Not sure what it says about me as a person but I don't like them assuming I'd want to kiss them back! 😂

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midcenturylegs · 26/03/2019 18:28

@30somethingandsingle thanks for the new thread.

@rich I think I'm a bit like you, I find I am more passive and shy - unless the man is quite tactile (and the feeing is mutual) I don't tend to flirt until I feel more comfortable. That might be the reason why some men say there is no spark - because I don't come with a twinkle in my eye. Don't know if that makes sense..

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Notcoolmum · 26/03/2019 18:28

myold good question 😂 if I’ve enjoyed the date and find them reasonably attractive I’m happy to try a kiss to see if there is a spark. Sometimes I’ve been surprised to find it there when I didn’t think it would be. And once my body jumped away from someone I’d found fun and attractive. So I believe in the chemistry thing.

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MyOldBrainStoppedWorking · 26/03/2019 18:36

Notcoolmum I recognise that 'jumping away' reaction. It sums up the majority of my dates.
Another reason that I need to stop dating just as an excuse to get out of the house.

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Still18atheart · 26/03/2019 18:37

Thanks for the new thread 30 shameless place marking

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Lovemusic33 · 26/03/2019 18:40

New thread, fresh start.

Not having much luck despite having loads of irons, all of them seem to have amber or red flags.

The guy that doesn’t work has now told me he lives with a friends. I have made an excuse not to visit him this week.

Mr Normal (was most hopeful about this one) rides a motorbike and I hate bikes, just a amber flag I guess but probably enough for me not to be that interested.

Mr Young keeps messaging trying to get me to go over to his new house for sex, I am very tempted.

Mr Teacher has gone quiet.

I need to have another look on POF for new irons but when I go on there I get bombarded with messages from the above irons.

Tinder is full of weirdos and people much younger than me, people sticking their tongues out and people who look like they haven’t washed for a month.

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StealthNinjaMum · 26/03/2019 18:43

richdeniro I would also second date a nice guy if he had been respectful and interesting but appeared shy.

A lack of verbal flirting wouldn't bother me but I wouldn't want to see from his body language that he was interested even if I just got a peck on the cheek at the end.

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richdeniro · 26/03/2019 19:14

Thanks for all the replies, all good. It's funny as I was just talking to my dad on the phone and told him all the about dating apps, he was genuinely shocked by the lack of second dates - 'if someone doesn't feel chemistry or a spark on a first date, then that's it?!!' were his actual words, said he wouldn't have stood a chance if my mum had binned him after the first date due to no spark. Different times I guess.

I am usually very good at arranging a date fairly quickly after matching but I can usually still get boxes ticked even in a short amount of time. I actually don't have that many boxes.

Do you think any of you would have felt differently in your 30s or before marriage/kids about the spark on a first date issue?

@Notcool - I always want to kiss someone I really like on a first date but due to the whole being passive and overly-respectful thing, I never do. This despite having no hesitation going for it when perhaps with someone whereby I am more relaxed due to every box not being ticked. It's so weird I know.

@Meh - Yep I know all about the MB test, randomly I am INTJ.

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