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Westministenders: Rebel Rebel Your Brexit is a Mess.

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RedToothBrush Wed 13-Dec-17 19:46:12

Hot Tramp, I love you so!

The European Parliament have agreed to progress talks to the next stage. Despite Brexiteers saying its not legally binding, it is apparent that the EU certainly disagree.

Not only that, but the wording of the deal goes further. It binds us to not being able to agree and new trade deals for 2 years.

The All Important Amendment 7 to the Great Repel Bill has been successful. May’s power grab has a set back.

By just FOUR votes the government was defeated. How May will be regretting that pointless election tonight.

Parliament will have a meaningful vote on the exit terms.

But don’t be too excited. Brussels might not like this as May can not guarantee the UK will agree to a deal. It means the the EU are negotiating with parliament NOT May now.

There is also the suggestion that the mood of parliament is changing and is beginning to lean more towards a EFTA / EEA type deal.

But equally this could also send us to the brink with a deal from the EU that could be rejected by parliament.

The stakes just got higher.

Tugtupite Wed 13-Dec-17 19:52:05

I'm happy fgrin

PainInTheEar Wed 13-Dec-17 19:52:59

Thank you red flowers

What an amazing day

BiglyBadgers Wed 13-Dec-17 19:53:43

Nice title. Just singing quietly to myself now. grin

HashiAsLarry Wed 13-Dec-17 19:53:46

Placemarking with a laugh
El Fromage has spoken
My contempt for career politicians knows no bounds.

RedToothBrush Wed 13-Dec-17 19:54:33


Tom Newton Dunn‏ @tnewtondunn
It isn't over yet: Govt immediately hints it will try to strike out Amendment 7 at Report Stage or 3rd reading.

Sludgecolours Wed 13-Dec-17 19:54:57

Yay! Finally a tiny, tiny bit of good news!

pointythings Wed 13-Dec-17 19:55:02

What with the Alabama vote, this feels like the first good day in politics for a loooooong time.

May there be more to come. I really do hope the mood is changing.

PainInTheEar Wed 13-Dec-17 19:55:09

Matthew Green
Sacked for voting for Parliament to take back control! But Johnson and Davis haven't been sacked.
That tells you an awful lot about May.

squoosh Wed 13-Dec-17 19:55:22

Just warming my cockles by looking at screen grabs of glum faces on the Tory front bench.

SingaSong12 Wed 13-Dec-17 19:55:35

Thanks for the new thread

GhostofFrankGrimes Wed 13-Dec-17 19:56:30

Some sanity at last.

RedToothBrush Wed 13-Dec-17 19:57:56

Henry Zeffman‏ @hzeffman
Only 2 Labour Brexiters - Kate Hoey and Frank Field - voted with the government. Dennis Skinner, Ronnie Campbell, John Mann were all on team Grieve. It was the Labour Brexiteers wot won it

What did I say?

Kate Hoey.

HashiAsLarry Wed 13-Dec-17 19:58:05

Replying to Tom Newton Dunn
Another unforced error if government does this.

Limited ministerial time and energy needed elsewhere on Brexit.

PainInTheEar Wed 13-Dec-17 19:58:06

I don’t know what this means

Commons has approved @CommonsProcCom amendments creating a new select committee to sift #EUWithdrawalBill statutory instruments, without a division

BiglyBadgers Wed 13-Dec-17 19:58:42

It isn't over yet: Govt immediately hints it will try to strike out Amendment 7 at Report Stage or 3rd reading.

That's hardly a surprise is it. Of course the Government will try and wriggle out of it, after all this is the lot who hid the fact they haven't made any impact assessments and then said they had complied with the order to publish them because there was nothing to publish. Slippery sods indeed.

The thing is that rebelling can become a habit, especially when it is successful. The hope is that the Tory rebels have found their backbone here and will start to put some pressure on May and co.

CardinalSin Wed 13-Dec-17 20:01:08

Still haven't caught up with the last thread, but this is an interesting breakthrough - maybe just a hint that a very few politicians are finding their balls.

LeLocle Wed 13-Dec-17 20:02:27

fsmile loyal lurker

RedToothBrush Wed 13-Dec-17 20:05:20

Peston on Facebook.

The government threw everything at trying to defeat Tory rebels led by the former attorney general Dominic Grieve and their amendment to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill - which forces the government to enact a statute "approving the final terms" of Brexit before the UK leaves the EU.

And that is one of the big reasons why this defeat for Theresa May matters: it shows the fury among some of its MPs, notably those who voted to Remain, that they are being ignored, as Theresa May engages in the most important negotiations relating to this nations' future since those that took us into the EU (or what was the Common Market).

The point is that the rebels rejected a written statement first thing this morning by the Brexit Secretary David Davis, in which he promised a vote on the final deal by MPs and Lords "in the form of a resolution", as not giving them comfort that they would have sufficient time and latitude to really assess and judge the Brexit deal.

And literally minutes before 7pm, the justice minister Dominic Raab tried to offer another olive branch - which is that the government would reform its own bill in the next phase of its passage through the Commons to address at least one of the rebels concerns, namely that the PM and ministers would use their executive powers to sideline parliament and push through Brexit-related law changes by so-called Statutory Instrument.

Raab pledged these powers would not be employed till after Parliament had its say on the withdrawal terms. But in a rare and delicious moment of high drama, Grieve told Raab the offer had been made "too late"!

This is not a disaster for May - though it is an embarrassment that her authority has been undermined on the eve of the historic summit in Brussels which will approve phase one of our Brexit deal.

But for the avoidance of doubt, none of the rebels say they want to stop Brexit.

They just want more scrutiny of it, more influence over its nature.

This is cumbersome for May, because it may limit her flexibility in Brexit talks and their translation into British law.

That is the annoying thing about parliamentary democracies. They don't allow leaders to do precisely what they want.

prettybird Wed 13-Dec-17 20:08:18

Couldn't have happened to a nice government fwink

Shameless place mat king fgrin

Thanks for the new thread RTB - and great title fsmilewinegin

ClashCityRocker Wed 13-Dec-17 20:11:11

So, what would happen if parliament didn't approve a deal? Would we crash out with no deal?

ClashCityRocker Wed 13-Dec-17 20:11:49

Am glad to see that their will be the opportunity of course.

And thanks for the new thread red.

HesterThrale Wed 13-Dec-17 20:12:17

Or I suppose hardline Brexiteers could reject a deal for being too soft...?

artisancraftbeer Wed 13-Dec-17 20:13:16

On current performance though (see Supreme Court/ public inquiry into contaminated blood/ European Parliament initial requirements to progress to trade talks etc) May will talk tough and then collapse and give in completely.

It looks like there might actually be some parliamentary sovereignty. Of course the people who voted for parliamentary sovereignty don't want it anymore and prefer oligarchy, but the majority have spoken!!

PrincessoftheSea Wed 13-Dec-17 20:16:24

A bit of good news in all the madness that is Brexit

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