Westministenders: Rebel Rebel Your Brexit is a Mess.

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The European Parliament have agreed to progress talks to the next stage. Despite Brexiteers saying its not legally binding, it is apparent that the EU certainly disagree.

Not only that, but the wording of the deal goes further. It binds us to not being able to agree and new trade deals for 2 years.

The All Important Amendment 7 to the Great Repel Bill has been successful. May’s power grab has a set back.

By just FOUR votes the government was defeated. How May will be regretting that pointless election tonight.

Parliament will have a meaningful vote on the exit terms.

But don’t be too excited. Brussels might not like this as May can not guarantee the UK will agree to a deal. It means the the EU are negotiating with parliament NOT May now.

There is also the suggestion that the mood of parliament is changing and is beginning to lean more towards a EFTA / EEA type deal.

But equally this could also send us to the brink with a deal from the EU that could be rejected by parliament.

The stakes just got higher.

The Nazi and fascist loving daily mail
To give it it's Correct title

Do you think she’s calling for another referendum?

Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
As a Brexiteer, I didn't vote to bring back power from the EU to the British Parliament. I voted to bring back power to the British people.

MPs don't get the final say. We, the people, do.

A 12th Tory in the aye lobby was John Stevenson who voted both ways - an active abstention.

Thanks Mother, it does indeed appear that he voted both ways.
How daft and pointless is that?

Just consider that liars are not sacked from the current gov't for their crookedness. Dishonesty no impediment to position (quite the opposite, in fact). But S. Hammond sacked for voting with his conscience. In accordance with a belief in Parliamentary sovereignty.

Well, I want a vote on the tax rate, Julia. And the increase in public holidays. And the funding of the NHS. And on tax breaks for the filthy rich. And, and, and.........

sorry cat and folks. Poorly worded post, point taken.

Just something to reflect on when it comes to respect for the law and the rule of law which Brexiteers have shown an unhealthy lack of respect for in the past:

Matthew Scott @ barrister blog
Those Tory rebels in full:
Grieve: barrister
Clarke: barrister
Soubry: barrister
Neill: barrister
Heald: barrister
Sandbach: barrister
Djanogly: solicitor
Morgan: solicitor
Hammond: banker
Wollaston: doctor
Allen: businesswoman

Why do we think a bunch of people with law degrees have a particular view of Parliamentary democracy? Is it perhaps because they understand the nature and relationship between how the courts, parliament and the media hold the executive to account?

Obviously lawyers are typically traitors to democracy and never some of the first casualties in purges when democracy fails.

Well no harm done. I've only seem the Guardian and the Times being offered by the Waitrose till.

If their policy is any 'paper', it's perfectly appropriate for them to regularly reconsider the content of material in the publications they offer.

Yes, Cailleach . Hammond sacked but Boris Johnson and David Davis still there.

woman No worries. I agree with lonelyplanetmum on this. I think that headline is really unacceptable and I haven't changed my mind on that.

As a Brexiteer, I didn't vote to bring back power from the EU to the British Parliament. I voted to bring back power to the British people.

This is utterly incoherent, which is what I have come to expect from Brexiteers. Unless she means, as you say, that she wants a second referendum or maybe Athenian-style direct democracy. Perhaps I shall Tweet her?

Placemat

Athenian-style direct democracy.

Just giggled a bit too loud in my lecture at this.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/14/how-did-conservative-whips-get-brexit-bill-rebellion-so-wrong?CMP=share_btn_tw

How did Conservative whips get Brexit bill rebellion so wrong?

Another crucial vote lost by the government was Charlie Elphicke, the MP suspended from the party by Smith during the sexual harassment scandal, with Elphicke repeatedly claiming he had never been told what the allegations against him were. He abstained on the vote.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
On now. DD bit cagey on status of last night's vote, and on withdrawal date. Bercow's just told him not to mumble.

I voted to bring back power to the British people.
So she wants to adopt the Swiss model of having numerous referenda on various issues. I think they have something like 8 -10 a year? Or is she just talking out of her rear-end?

it does indeed appear that he voted both ways.
I suppose it's the same a spoiling a ballot paper - it makes a protest in a way that just not turning up doesn't.

Love John Bercow, " I am sure he wouldn't want to mumble deliberately"

For those who missed it because it's a live programme, wind back to 09:50 or thereabouts to catch it.

David Allen Green‏
@davidallengreen

The government is setting itself up for another needless Commons defeat next week.
No good (legal) reason for the exit date to be placed into statute.
By automatic operation of (international) law, UK leaves EU on 29 March 2019 - unless EU/UK agree otherwise./1
The only difference placing the date into statute (not "enshrining" please) will be is to make it less open to UK to be flexible with any extensions later in negotiation. /2
In a topsy-turvey way, government is here wanting parliament to limit its options. Reverse of position on "meaningful vote". /3
But like the basis of the "meaningful vote" amendment, this is a needless issue for the government to pick a fight about.

Most sensible MPs agreed yesterday that clause 9 of the Bill is redundant, however they voted on the Grieve amendment. /4
But it looks like May is to go ahead anyway.
Like how she fought the Miller litigation, needlessly, before having a notification Bill anyway.
Like how as Home Secretary she fought hopeless cases, with expensive appeal after appeal, before surrendering.
It is what she does./5
The UK is wasting finite time and resources with all these needless battles and unrealistic aims, on every front. UK has also lost a great deal of credibility.
Unforced error on top of unforced error.

There is no reason why Brexit has to be like this.

ends/

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account
@bbclaurak
Something's up - hearing it'll be worth watching the Commons in a few minutes time...

Ooh I think it's about Davis and the impact assessments. Bercow's brought it up

Paraphrased:

"however from the evidence that I have seen to date the test that I am bound to apply is that there has been a considerable case that no contempt of the house has been found in this case"

Laura Kuenssberg‏Verified account
@bbclaurak
Bercow - 'it was most regrettable that the Sec of State ...unilaterally excised some material from the papers he provided and that it took so long I feel bound to pay due attention to the formally recorded view of the cttee' (that said no contempt)

So no case of contempt. What a farce.

Pointing out the number of lawyers amongst the "rebels" really doesn't help their case.

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/ed-jones/these-figures-show-how-out-of-touch-uk-politicians-are-from-everyone-else