Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

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Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

Thank you for starting a new thread!

It is so important that awareness of the situation continues and that the background to this problem is exposed.

Also, here is a link to first thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4241906-You-just-cannot-talk-about-Palestine-on-this-forum

Good, was worried the other one would go and that would be that. Even though it’s not appearing on the active threads list - not sure why not given how busy it is- there is obvs a lot of people who still want to discuss what’s going on.

Thanks OP

I don’t understand why MN would kill a thread about a major news story anyway. Given that the conflict is the top story in every respect bulletin and has been since the bombing started.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic. Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic

I think you'll find it is. Inflatable Jewish caricatures complete with big noses and horns at a pro Palestine demo in London.

Can Mumsnet please comment on this thread instead of just referring to guidelines?
What do you actually not allow on this subject?

I think you'll find it is. Inflatable Jewish caricatures complete with big noses and horns at a pro Palestine demo in London.
Both sides have some extreme supporters.

That shouldn't prevent reasonable discussion.

Please don’t post one picture of some idiots and try and use it to shut down debate. Please.

@Diemme that’s Mohamed bin Zayed?!

@Diemme what has that picture got to do with a thread on this forum discussing the issue? We are allowed to debate and discuss. Please do not try and derail this thread.

I don’t think he’s Jewish but you know, anything’s possible it seems...

Yup, don’t screen grab from Twitter without any reference and try to use that to declare criticism of the Israeli government military action at the moment is somehow anti Semitic.
It’s not. There are many many Jewish people around the world who are as appalled at what’s going on as non- Jewishnpeople.

@Adventureswith

I don’t understand why MN would kill a thread about a major news story anyway. Given that the conflict is the top story in every respect bulletin and has been since the bombing started.

Really? Have you read the previous thread?

There's a huge problem with anti-semitism and anti-Israeli sentiment in the left-wing community - see Labour's issues for a start - and it doesn't come much more left than MN.

These threads should be gone. Not because what's happening in Israel and Palestine should be ignored or hidden away - it's horrific and needs to be in everyone's face - but because some people here are determined to shout down and abuse anyone and everyone who doesn't toe their line.

The OP started a divisive thread, whipped up the frothing masses, then departed, posting nothing for several days, and only now returning days later to start another thread in the same vein once the previous one filled up.

Hopefully MN will call a proper halt to this vile nonsense soon.

@SofiaMichelle so what aspect of the conflict can we debate? You’ve conflicted yourself in your post.

I agree that raising awareness of how badly the Israeli government treats the Palestinian population is needed

But it attracts those that are anti Semitic many are anti US too that fuels their anger. They don’t appear so passionate about other governments poor treatment of their population

And sadly I know from living in North Africa and having many friends from there and the ME that anti Semitic and anti Israel feelings run high. It’s easy for us to forget that it’s part of life in some areas of the world

I find that these threads so informative, but obviously some posters are very close to this subject and it must be upsetting for them to post?

I'm trying to pick up the main gist.
Are hamas religious extremists? I'm just thinking of the so called school books from Saudi that came to light a few years ago with awful racism about Jewish people?

Is it possible to root out hamas?
Without hamas and with the current Israeli pm gone and moderates in on both sides there maybe chance of peace?

anti-israeli threads aren’t allowed? How can we discuss what’s happening without mentioning Israel. This doesn’t make sense. You can’t shut down any debate because you don’t agree? Or can you?

@SofiaMichelle
Sorry, but we’re you reading the same thread that I was? I don’t get this argument that somehow aMAJOR news story, reported widely worldwide should somehow not be discussed because it involves Israel. It’s ridiculous. Just because you don’t agree with some of the comment ms doesn’t mean you can cry racism or antisemitism and try to get the discussion shut down.
The IDF can bomb as many media centres as the like but it will not stop the world discussing what’s going on in Gaza.

@Diemme

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic. Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic

I think you'll find it is. Inflatable Jewish caricatures complete with big noses and horns at a pro Palestine demo in London.

Yes every German is a Nazi, every Muslim a terrorist and every leave voter an uneducated racist.

You will get extremes in all movements, they are drawn to it. Look at what happened with Trump and Qanon.

Opposing what Israel is doing and has done for years is not anti semitic, its having compassion and empathy for other humans. I have zero issue with Jewish people or their religion, I have big issues with Israels policies towards Palestinians/Palestine.

Sofia, seeing these types on mn is educational though, people can see it and we are intelligent enough to make up our own minds.
Mumsnet is a chat forum.

@Diemme that’s Mohamed bin Zayed?!

And that’s why we don’t grab bits of Twitter and declare it ‘evidence’ to support arguments.

Let me be clear - I'm all for this subject being discussed and debated, I truly am.

The problem is the way that so many people here don't want discussion and debate, or to hear of any suffering of Israelis, they just want to shout about Palestine and shut everyone else down.

That's the issue.

Well, that's what some people do Sofia, this is a chat forum and I strongly oppose shutting down discussions like this.
In fact if it wasn't for many mn threads on various issues I would have never truly understood the dark underbelly of the far left.

You would be denying others that same enlightenment.

This is a chat forum, this is major news, of course people should discuss it and where appropriate, posts deleted.

@Diemme

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic. Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic

I think you'll find it is. Inflatable Jewish caricatures complete with big noses and horns at a pro Palestine demo in London.

Look, let’s stop beating around the bush shall we? Palestinians and Israel are enemies. It’s an extraordinarily bad enmity, comprised of total war, that’s been going on for decades: conflicts in the region between its diverse peoples have been going on for millennia. It’s worse than Northern Ireland. Of course there will be name calling and caricatures on both sides.

What you’re asking us in the U.K. to do is pick a side in this interminable war (while at the same time everyone complains every time the west does get involved). Israel constantly playing the victim to try and do that while raining down artillery is wearing a little thin for some of us.

Er @SofiaMichelle
I didn’t disappear for days. It was Eid on Thursday and I was at work all day Friday and am spending Eid weekend with my family.

Sorry are you usually very active on forums over the Xmas period??

I posted a lot on the first 5 pages and then some brilliant and much more informed than me people came along and I wanted to give them space to discuss.

I
started the new thread at the request of several people on the last one.