Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

[Faffandahalf]

Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

@Diemme I’ve asked for your post to be removed because that’s dangerous misinformation. Please do your research before posting.

I think threads like this need to be kept but inappropriate or offensive posts/ misinformation reported

@SofiaMichelle

Please stop trying to shut down the argument by stating it is anti Semitic to criticise the Israeli government. That is attempting to shut down freedom of speech.

I’m very critical of many Arab governments. I do not believe that makes me islamophobic.

And if you feel that the Israelis are the oppressed people, not the Palestinians, can I ask if you’d prefer that you and your family/friends were living as Jewish people in Israel or as Palestinians in Gaza at the moment?

@Faffandahalf my apologies regarding Eid. I didn't think and that's on me. No excuse.

I’ve also reported @Diemme post.
Looking closely it appears to be UAE Prince who was denounced for investing in Israel

@SofiaMichelle 👍🏽

Israel and Palestine may be enemies but they're not equal enemies. It's like Man City playing a tiny village 5 a side team. I've spent time in Palestine and the suffering those people endure on a daily basis is horrendous. Water shut off, electricity shut off. Food blockades, shot at by gun boats for trying to fish far out enough at sea to actually catch anything. Destruction of property, burning of crops. People might not want to hear it but it's reality, and it's insane to not be able to talk about it for fear of being accused of antisemitism

Diemme what has that picture got to do with a thread on this forum discussing the issue? We are allowed to debate and discuss. Please do not try and derail this thread

It's a depiction of Jewish stereotype complete with large nose and horns. It's the equivalent of blacking up. It's antisemitic. And it took place at a demo regarding this issue. Not sure what you're unclear about.

Don’t feed the trolls people. Probably best to ignore comments that seem to an obvious attempt to prevent discussion.

As I understand it, the State of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a secure homeland after they had endured the horrors of the Holocaust and generations of persecution. In order to do this, however, many Palestinians were evicted from their homeland in the process. The end result is, unsurprisingly the intractable conflict which has prevailed in the region ever since. What I can't understand is why fuel is added to the fire in the form of continued incursions into the remaining Palestinian areas. Why weren't the original borders of Israel strictly defined, when the State was created? Palestinians are still being evicted from their land, so that Jewish people can settle there, and claim it as Israeli territory. That's what's happening, isn't it?
I know the above is hugely simplistic, given all the historical complexities, but why is Israel allowed to expand its borders in this way?

@Faffandahalf

I’ve also reported *@Diemme* post. Looking closely it appears to be UAE Prince who was denounced for investing in Israel

Yes, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. He’s an ally of the US, hence the horns possibly? I did think that it was odd that a supposed Jewish caricature was wearing Arab clothing.

Let’s support the only remaining non Muslim state in the Middle East and North Africa.

And maybe educate ourselves on what happened to all the Jews and other non Muslims that were once so widespread from Mashhad to Marrakesh.

Where was all this sympathy when the Armenians were being kicked out a few months back?

@Diemme can you explain why any criticism of the Israeli Government is automatically antisemitic? I have been following this story for the last couple of days and am trying to understand.

Yes, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. He’s an ally of the US, hence the horns possibly?

Ah yes, that's what we do with cases of black face as well isn't it. Tease out nuances that might justify it. Except we don't because that would be disgusting and racist.

@HunkyPunk

Your understanding is wrong. Though the State of Israel was created in 1948, the Jewish homeland was created after WW1 due to Zionist pressure in the British government as well as the British government seeing the benefits of a friendly state next to Suez Canal to protect the empire.

This is discussed extensively on precious thread.

Read up on McMahon letters, Balfour Declaration and Sykes-Picot to get a better understanding on how Israel came about.

Here is a link to the League of Nations document from 1922

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/text-of-the-british-mandate-for-palestine

@Diemme

Yes, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. He’s an ally of the US, hence the horns possibly?

Ah yes, that's what we do with cases of black face as well isn't it. Tease out nuances that might justify it. Except we don't because that would be disgusting and racist.

Go ahead and report my post if you think it’s racist.

@Diemme

Yes, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. He’s an ally of the US, hence the horns possibly?

Ah yes, that's what we do with cases of black face as well isn't it. Tease out nuances that might justify it. Except we don't because that would be disgusting and racist.

That’s an image of Mohamed bin Zayed. That is not an anti-Semitic caricature like you have stated - you need to correct your mistake so that you’re not spreading dangerous misinformation. You need to ask MNHQ for your post to be deleted.

Following, as would like to understand more

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Let’s support the only remaining non Muslim state in the Middle East and North Africa.’

Why is an issue that the rest of the countries are Muslim? And why would you blindly support a country just for being non-Muslim? That makes no sense to me at all.
How anyone can support the continuous collective punishment of the Palestinian people is beyond me. I can’t support the actions that repeatedly break international law and are criticised by Amnesty, the UN, and pretty much any NGO involved in the OPT.

A quick Google of hamas shoes them to be fundamentalaslist religious extremists.

Who were massively funded by Saudi who promotes that literature in schools about Jewish people.

So were hamas voted in, does Palestine have democracy?

It's seems to me as ever extremists ruin things for everyone, can hamas be voted out? When is Ben due to go?

UN Security Council finally meeting today to discuss the conflict. Not sure that Netanyahu would listen to them anyway but it’s better than nothing.

How anyone can support the continuous collective punishment of the Palestinian people is beyond me.

Collective punishment is exactly what it is.

Non-Muslim populations through MENA over time have been killed, forcibly converted or eventually just pushed out - as ISIS did in recent years, and previously Maronites in the Lebanon, Zoroastrians in Iran, Jews in Iran, Iraq, Syria and especially Saudi Arabia.

Didn’t you know that?

Collective punishment is t my phrase, it’s what the UN call it...