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Discussing Palestinian Oppression part 2

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Faffandahalf · 16/05/2021 09:28

Just starting another thread as the other one is full.

Please keep talking about Palestinian occupation and oppression.

Please follow Palestinian support groups like Friends of Al Aqsa and Mohammed el Kurd (an amazing Sheikh Jarrah citizen) on Twitter and Insta to get info from the ground. This will take you to other sources of infor coming out of Palestine.

Please keep Palestine part of the conversation and on social media so it’s not forgotten about.

Supporting Palestine is not anti Semitic
Criticising Israel is not anti Semitic.

As an aside I have not once seen the previous thread in active after page 1.
So MN have let the thread stand after numerous complaints of censorship but still odd that it never came up as active.

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JustFedUpOfThis · 16/05/2021 16:09

@DeepThinkingGirl

The gaslighting from certain posters is absolutely shocking. As well as the complete invalidation of your family’s history.

There is no hope if this is representative of the hostility facing the civilian Palestinian population in Israel.

Parker231 · 16/05/2021 16:10

Until the UN and the West stand up to Israel for international violations nothing will change.

BFrazzled · 16/05/2021 16:22

They don’t look like Israeli soldiers though...
I thought Israeli soldiers wear green uniforms no?

Acidburn · 16/05/2021 16:33

@BFrazzled they are not Israeli solders. They are dumb religious fanatics, that no one likes, not even Israelis.

Acidburn · 16/05/2021 16:38

I think @BFrazzled has an excellent idea. The Palestinians come to the UK, get settles status here, together with all the rights they are missing. Meanwhile the horrible Israelies can take all the land remaining if they want it that much. Everybody wins!

Smurfsarethefuture · 16/05/2021 16:43

Can I ask those of you who support Hamas how you respond to their assertion that they want to destroy the Jewish people? How, if it is part of their focus, can Israel respond accordingly? How should they respond? I genuinely want to hear others’ views.

My thoughts are with the people affected who must be feeling very scared right now.

CounsellorTroi · 16/05/2021 16:45

@Smurfsarethefuture

Can I ask those of you who support Hamas how you respond to their assertion that they want to destroy the Jewish people? How, if it is part of their focus, can Israel respond accordingly? How should they respond? I genuinely want to hear others’ views.

My thoughts are with the people affected who must be feeling very scared right now.

Has anyone said they support Hamas?
JustFedUpOfThis · 16/05/2021 16:47

And there we have it. Two of the pro-Israelis in this thread are casually suggesting the further ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

Can you imagine the (entirely justifiable) uproar if I had suggested that the Jewish Israelis get “resettled” in Europe? Even if I said it in jest? These are people’s lives your are casually joking about. As they are getting slaughtered.

Fucking hell. I cannot believe you posted that.

Adventureswith · 16/05/2021 16:48

'since it began on Monday at least 188 people have been killed in Gaza, including 55 children and 33 women, with 1,230 injured'
BBC, latest stats in the dead and injured in Gaza. 55 children. 55.

joanneg36 · 16/05/2021 16:49

No-one has said they support Hamas, but a lot of people have condemned Israel’s response. So it would be interesting to know what, in their opinion, would be the correct response to having rockets fired into your major cities? If it were happening in this country, how would you like Boris to respond? This is a genuine question - how?

Adventureswith · 16/05/2021 16:50

You can be disgusted with the actions of the Israel authorities and the treatment of the Palestinians WITHOUT support Hamas. It's really quite straight forward.

Smurfsarethefuture · 16/05/2021 16:50

@CounsellorTroi

I get the point you are making, I just meant in general regarding the politics of the area. I thought that Hamas were behind the rocket strike.

Yawnattack · 16/05/2021 16:50

@joanneg36, so you believe that because Hamas are firing rockets into Israel and a small number of them, reports said said 90% were stopped by the missile defense system so about 10% landed and killed 10 people it justifys the murder of 188 people by the Israeli government.

Do you not expect more restraint and better behaviour from a democratically elected government than a terrorist group?

I think this Israeli government should stop attacking and back off. Hamas like all Palestinians are locked into a tiny area were all food, medicine and electricity is controlled by Israel at this stage they are not going to be the first ones to blink as they have increasingly less to lose.

Reports say that this latest round of aggression was a Hamas response to the Israeli government kicking out more Palestinians from their homes, if these reports are true then this particular round of attacks by Hamas can be understood if not sympathised with.

I make no comment on the historical nature of this conflict as I have not yet has the opportunity to look into that in detail, I intend to. I would consider this current week old chapter to be largely the fault of the Israeli government.

CounsellorTroi · 16/05/2021 16:52

Not by bombing innocent civilians and bombing approaches to hospitals so that they can't get their injuries treated, that's for sure.

Adventureswith · 16/05/2021 16:52

' If it were happening in this country, how would you like Boris to respond? '

And it this scenario the UK has been collectively punishing and torturing and provoking and destroying the homes and livelihoods of the people of this country attacking us, making their lives almost unbearable, or not?

Smurfsarethefuture · 16/05/2021 16:52

@Adventureswith

Yes, I completely agree - I just wanted to know what arguments others have regarding this. It is a difficult point to refute when they are so public about it and in return, gives validity to a need to respond from the Israeli side.

joanneg36 · 16/05/2021 16:54

I am not disagreeing with the fact that this response is disproportionate but I note that no-one has directly answered my question. How should Israel respond? What response would be proportionate?

Adventureswith · 16/05/2021 16:56

I mean, I would hope that at some point I would have spoke up against my country's behaviour and against my government so that the tiny country we're virtually controlling wouldn't be provoked into violence against us in the first place.

BFrazzled · 16/05/2021 16:59

@Acidburn

I think *@BFrazzled* has an excellent idea. The Palestinians come to the UK, get settles status here, together with all the rights they are missing. Meanwhile the horrible Israelies can take all the land remaining if they want it that much. Everybody wins!
Even if just some of Gaza population comes over, to UK or Europe, it would be a good thing for all involved.

Certainly for the people who would come. I don’t think anyone would dispute this. The opportunities they have in Gaza are nothing to speak of. Coming to a country like UK sounds better than waiting for generations to get back the lands and property that once was theirs in Israel.

I mean, the German and Polish Jews had their property taken away too. Even some Iranian Jews. There are some Germans and Iranians living in their homes now. Do you see them asking to get it back? No they built their lives in new places (a lot of them in the US and the UK btw - before you tell me this was all on behalf of Palestinians).

Also for the people who would stay in Gaza it would be better because It will help solve the problem of overpopulation. Perhaps instead of trying to pick up fight with Israel that is clearly stronger and clearly not disposed to capitulate they will try to rebuild the city, of course with outside help. However just the war they are trying to fight I think it is clear to everyone they are not going to win in a military conflict against Israel. Then why start it?

And perhaps all this will finally bring everyone closer to peace.

joanneg36 · 16/05/2021 17:00

The problem here is that all of you denying anti-Semitism and insisting that you don’t support Hamas are literally parroting Hamas propaganda about what is currently going on, from death numbers to ‘civilian targets’ without question.

It is very very possible to think that what is happening to the Palestinians is horrific without doing the above. But most on this thread unfortunately aren’t doing it.

And on that note, I’m bowing out here.

Smurfsarethefuture · 16/05/2021 17:02

@Adventureswith

I think there have been people who live there who have spoken up - some who see it as a humanitarian concern rather than a political sided/religious conflict. I think this is military defined, not necessarily a view shared by all ordinary citizens. Didn’t someone post a link on here the other day to a website set up by IDF veterans that talked about their concerns? They saw it as a settler led problem.

BFrazzled · 16/05/2021 17:06

@JustFedUpOfThis

And there we have it. Two of the pro-Israelis in this thread are casually suggesting the further ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

Can you imagine the (entirely justifiable) uproar if I had suggested that the Jewish Israelis get “resettled” in Europe? Even if I said it in jest? These are people’s lives your are casually joking about. As they are getting slaughtered.

Fucking hell. I cannot believe you posted that.

Why fucking hell?

I know a lot of Syrian and Palestinian people living in the UK.

My favorite restaurant here in our city is owned by a former Gazan. By the way he speaks fluent Hebrew and has many Israeli clients. He bought his family over here and he doesn’t want to go back. Do you think he is encouraging ethnic cleansing of Palestine by enabling them to move over?

If you offered a random Gazan family settled status in the UK what do you think would be their response?

GoingOnABarHunt · 16/05/2021 17:07

I don’t even know if I can post on this thread anymore tbh, the absolute disregard for Palestinian lives is genuinely upsetting. It’s almost as they’re not regarded as human by some, just a massive inconvenience to Israel. It’s very clear some want Palestine completely wiped off the map and forgotten about so that Israeli citizens can lead happy, peaceful lives. Fuck it, send the Palestinians somewhere else and completely wipe out their nationality and culture.

Whilst you type your humorous solutions and defend Israel to the hilt please remember that Israel is currently raining down bombs on one of the most densely populated areas on earth, the majority of whom are children. They cannot leave and there are no shelters. They have bombed the roads leading to the main hospital. They have destroyed the international media tower in an attempt to hide their war crimes. They have no defence, Israel knows this very well. Call it what it is - a massacre.

But hey - Israel deserves peace and is just defending itself, right?

188 people have been killed since Monday, 55 of them children. 1,230 people are injured with limited medical supplies to help them. COVID is rife and people are still being dragged out of their houses with nowhere to go. 17,000 Palestinians are currently homeless due to the Israeli airstrikes. The power dynamic and systematic racism is immense, there isn’t two equal sides to this. Are Palestinians meant to just sit back and comply with the ethnic cleansing? Would you, truly? They haven’t got a defence system worth billions - stop equating state violence with the retaliation of the powerless.

BFrazzled · 16/05/2021 17:10

Ah yes. Also lots of my Israeli friends moved over here because of various reasons some having to do with the conflict. Also entirely understand and this isn’t ethnic cleansing of the land in my opinion either. And they had this opportunity because it is easy to get a visa if you are Israeli.
Why don’t we do the same for the Gazans?