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Furious: Girl Guides now admitting boys

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shinynewusername Sun 22-Jan-17 10:06:14

Sorry for DM link but this is important. Brownies and Guides are going to admit boys if they identify as girls. Girls will have to share 'single sex' facilities including tents & changing rooms with them. Parents won't be told. Oh, and men who identify as women can become Brownie & Guide leaders, where they will get to supervise girls in those tents, changing rooms etc.

How is this possible? There is an epidemic of sexual abuse. We are still in the fall-out of Rotherham, Saville etc yet we are enabling men to have access to every safe space for girls. AIBU?

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:08:03

can of worms

probably best to avoid dm tbh

find out information from other media sources

FishInAWetSuitAndFlippers Sun 22-Jan-17 10:08:55

There's a massive thread here about it.

HumphreyCobblers Sun 22-Jan-17 10:09:15

it is actual fact, don't assume because it is the DM it is not true

shinynewusername Sun 22-Jan-17 10:09:16

Yes, it's the DM link that's the real issue here hmm

Jessicabrassica Sun 22-Jan-17 10:09:20

This is the third thread on this subject this week... Have you looked at the other conversations?

namechange3214 Sun 22-Jan-17 10:09:42

Not this again confusedhmm

MoreThanUs Sun 22-Jan-17 10:10:02

I would imagine the DM got the story from reading MN - it's a favourite hunting ground for lazy 'journalists'.

Still, it's a bloody disgrace.

GinIsIn Sun 22-Jan-17 10:10:54

Oh good. This is going to cover interesting things that weren't said on the other 800 threads this week about the same thing.... hmm

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:11:18

keep your hair on
men who identify as women
what do you think potential paedophiles are going to go to this much trouble?

Celaena Sun 22-Jan-17 10:11:19

seriously?

Beavers/Cubs/Scouts have been admitting girls for ages, so now there is more choice for out children

Because you think that a small minority will use this to further their sexual perversions, people who feel they are in the wrong body should be persecuted?

They said this about 'the blacks' how they would pollute the pure white blood, and 'the gays' how they would give your children the 'gay' and shouldnt be allowed to be teachers or in positions of 'power/authority over children' because all of the gays are perverts who want to have sex with your children...

Yes, there are horrible people out there, of all colours & sexuality, and yes a small minority will use this as way in - but what about all the people who just feel they are in the wrong body?

and why can you DD join scouts, but my DS cant join guides?

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:12:20

Exactly, all any potential paedophiles need to do is help at scouts op. boys and girls there.

harderandharder2breathe Sun 22-Jan-17 10:13:09

Oh do fuck off. This is the third thread on exactly the same subject

shinynewusername Sun 22-Jan-17 10:13:20

what do you think potential paedophiles are going to go to this much trouble?

Paedophiles go to immense lengths to get access to vulnerable children, so yes.

And teenage boys should not be sharing changing rooms & tents with teenage girls.

Bantanddec Sun 22-Jan-17 10:13:45

I agree with you op, it's even more concerning that people intent on committing abuse now have a way of infiltrating these organisations.

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:14:47

you know scouts and no doubt guides have a ruling that they cant be alone with a child, for their own safety as much as anything, to prevent accusations.

Fallonjamie Sun 22-Jan-17 10:15:46

At least two other threads on this already.

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:16:32

so you seriously think that a man who identifies as a woman who specifically join the brownies to leer at the brownies?
in fact what about the lolly pop man/woman, teacher, priest?

shinynewusername Sun 22-Jan-17 10:17:57

in fact what about the lolly pop man/woman, teacher, priest?

You are giving priest as an example of why we shouldn't be concerned about sexual abuse? hmm

harderandharder2breathe Sun 22-Jan-17 10:18:01

NO LEADER WATCHES GIRLS GET CHANGED

AuntieStella Sun 22-Jan-17 10:18:28

They are not admitting boys.

Other are admitting girls and those living as girls. Which is not the same as a boy in any ordinary parlance. It's not the same as a girl either. But that is no reason whatsoever to prevent someone living as a girl from actually doing so.

I really wish there was less transphobia on MN.

(If concerned about safeguarding for specific activities, then that needs to be taken up with the individual troop or district).

NormaSmuff Sun 22-Jan-17 10:19:15

no, op, i am giving the example that they can be eitehr sex.

how would you feel if your DS identified as a girl and wanted to join the brownies?

ScruffyTheJanitor Sun 22-Jan-17 10:20:15

Wouldn't a pedophile be better served working in a shoe shop than at the Brownies?
Or a sweet shop?
Or selling balloons?
Or The Entertainer, Toys R Us, Smyth's?

There's a thousand and one places where a child abuser might choose before they go to the lengths of gender changing and all that entails.

shinynewusername Sun 22-Jan-17 10:21:17

how would you feel if your DS identified as a girl and wanted to join the brownies?

I would be sad that he is experiencing gender dysphoria. I would not encourage the delusion that he can change sex.

Mellowautumn Sun 22-Jan-17 10:21:31

The teacher / priest things kinda ironic don't you think given historical president. Anyone saying 'Do you really think a pedophile would identify as a woman to gain access to young girls?' - really so fucking naive as to be laughable.

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