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Datun · 15/04/2023 14:08

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:05

So the suggestions of a whole school assembly dismissing gender identity and insisting a reversion to sex-based pronouns, reinforced by teachers in lessons and corrected in conversation isn't an abrupt rug-pulling?

Good lord.

don't ever get involved in marketing, will you!

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:09

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:04

noblegiraffe

Are you struggling because you believe it, and you're beginning to see the catastrophic effects?

Or because you don't believe in it, and are desperately worried about the children who do?

I said way way back near the start of the thread when I was accused of being a men's rights activist that I didn't believe you can change sex. I also don't believe in gendered souls.

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:09

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:08

Good lord.

don't ever get involved in marketing, will you!

All suggestions from this thread.

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:10

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:09

I said way way back near the start of the thread when I was accused of being a men's rights activist that I didn't believe you can change sex. I also don't believe in gendered souls.

Why do you think children are transitioning, in that case? Girls specifically, since it overwhelmingly is girls.

EndIessTea · 15/04/2023 14:11

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Datun · 15/04/2023 14:11

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:09

All suggestions from this thread.

It's perfectly possible to start a process in schools to extricate them from gender ideology. Beginning with an assembly to address the whole school.

Some children, of course, are going to be upset. It doesn't mean it shouldn't be happening.

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:12

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:10

Why do you think children are transitioning, in that case? Girls specifically, since it overwhelmingly is girls.

I think that's a well-trodden path that doesn't need me going over it again, does it?

Do you actually know any children who have adopted a transgender identity?

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2023 14:13

NotHavingIt · 15/04/2023 13:57

Dysphoria, by definition, is a mental health issue. Nobody should be treating dysphoria as significator of being 'genuinely trans' and thus transitioning them. CAMHS certainly requires more funding.

I think that CAMHS has, at least historically, had a vested interest in diagnosing their patients with gender issues.

If the child's distress can be blamed on gender rather than general anxiety that often comes hand in had with gender diversity then they child (and parents) can be signposted to Mermaids or Gids. Case closed, waiting list shortened.

I definitely think they wanted to pin some of my daughters sensory and communication issues on gender if they could get away with it.

It would explain why so many autistic girls, locally to me, identify as trans. I don't think it is a coincidence.

MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2023 14:14

Someone is going to have to break the news.

Adults got children into this mess they’ll have to deal with it.

It can’t just continue because people don’t want to utter the truth.

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:15

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:12

I think that's a well-trodden path that doesn't need me going over it again, does it?

Do you actually know any children who have adopted a transgender identity?

Yes, I know two. One is non-binary and perfectly pleasant but seems to be grabbing onto an identity for fairly superficial reasons. And the other identified as a boy and has had numerous issues, including the break up of her parents.

Roadtrips · 15/04/2023 14:16

I can imagine enthusiastic medical and education professionals joining in this too in the UK. They will then start on the high taxation and high housing, care costs due to the ageing population. Those young active MH staff and teachers will be eyeing up wealthy relatives.

Canada and the Netherlands have some odd ideas, MAID and assistant death, between sterilising children and this it is all very Akton T4.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11974839/Parents-euthanise-terminally-ill-children-aged-12-Netherlands.html

EndIessTea · 15/04/2023 14:17

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lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2023 14:18

I agree with Marsha,

It's up to adults, especially educators to have conversations with children, even if those conversations are difficult if they will prevent harm.

Noble why don't you think these conversations should happen?

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:18

Datun · 15/04/2023 14:15

Yes, I know two. One is non-binary and perfectly pleasant but seems to be grabbing onto an identity for fairly superficial reasons. And the other identified as a boy and has had numerous issues, including the break up of her parents.

Right, now picture them in that assembly.

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:20

Noble why don't you think these conversations should happen?

What conversations?

EndIessTea · 15/04/2023 14:23

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lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2023 14:23

What conversations

Between educators and children about gender ideology and the fact that transitioning children should have no place in schools.

Once it is clear , as it is from the Cass Review, that social transitioning is harmful it is not appropriate to knowingly continue to harm even if that results in some difficult conversations.

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:25

Your contempt for them shines through, Endless.

Roadtrips · 15/04/2023 14:26

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11508581/Woman-featured-commercial-euthanasia-Canada-wanted-live-access-care.html

Weirdly the condition she had is comorbid with ASD. They are in untreatable unbearable pain, there are many thousands of children that meet that criteria, who can now be killed off by patents or like trans parents persuaded or taken to court.

It's going to go like MAID in Canada where it's not rare even an Olympian was offered it due to a lack of adjustments being available, and abortion which went from rare and early to full term I believe now in the USA.

Trans activists are always shouting NAZI, this is how they began.

I wonder if those clapping it on are thinking through family members who are looking at their assets and thinking how they get an early inheritance.

Woman in euthanasia commercial chose death as she couldn't access care

A chronically-ill woman who featured in a controversial commercial about euthanasia in Canada had complained months earlier that she wanted to live but couldn't access healthcare.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11508581/Woman-featured-commercial-euthanasia-Canada-wanted-live-access-care.html

EndIessTea · 15/04/2023 14:28

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MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2023 14:29

So the alternative is keep going with the lies?

That sounds woeful

Adults created this issue, not children, they’ll have to face up to fixing it

NotHavingIt · 15/04/2023 14:29

lifeturnsonadime · 15/04/2023 14:13

I think that CAMHS has, at least historically, had a vested interest in diagnosing their patients with gender issues.

If the child's distress can be blamed on gender rather than general anxiety that often comes hand in had with gender diversity then they child (and parents) can be signposted to Mermaids or Gids. Case closed, waiting list shortened.

I definitely think they wanted to pin some of my daughters sensory and communication issues on gender if they could get away with it.

It would explain why so many autistic girls, locally to me, identify as trans. I don't think it is a coincidence.

That is certainly a concern.

It seems that as soon as the word ''gender' is mentioned they're sent off to GIDS.

EndIessTea · 15/04/2023 14:29

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NotHavingIt · 15/04/2023 14:34

noblegiraffe · 15/04/2023 14:18

Right, now picture them in that assembly.

You seemed to have become fixated on the assembly suggestion.
Are you a lone teacher at your school, or is transitioning your school's general practice and policy? Whatever is the case, how many trans identified pupils do you personally teach, and how many are there at your school?

Is it a mixed sex or single sex school?

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 15/04/2023 14:35

MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2023 14:29

So the alternative is keep going with the lies?

That sounds woeful

Adults created this issue, not children, they’ll have to face up to fixing it

Yes I don’t understand this bit

its like earlier in the thread when posters kept saying that the torys started with self id….well yes, but they can change their minds surely

do we not want people to row back once they realise they have made a mistake

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