Rishi Sunak said…

My point there was that some people assert that a Labour government would be unthinkable (where a Tory government would not) because Labour would introduce self-id.

This was a reasonable concern during the 2019 election when reforming the gender recognition act was in the Labour manifesto.

However, I don't think it presents as strong a concern now. Certainly Starmer has been making noises about it not being a priority. If this leaked document is true, then 'working towards a consensus' is, as I said, kicking it into the long grass. It's basically what the Tories did when they realised it wasn't going to be an easy progressive win.

I don't think, particularly given what has been happening in Scotland around the legal challenges with the incompatibility with the Equality Act, that self-id is something that they are going to want to get bogged down with as a new Labour government with a lot of other challenges on their plate.

So I think they're gearing up for it not being in the manifesto.

If it's not in the manifesto, if Labour went mad and decided to go for it anyway, I think it could well get bogged down elsewhere.

As a general response to 'you can't vote Labour, they'll introduce self-id' that came up earlier in the thread.

Personally the Hilary Cass recommendation that no child be socially transitioned without medical support sounds like a good one to me.

Therefore it doesn't matter if a parent wants it to happen, it doesn't happen without medical guidance. The child has no leverage. And the school doesn't, either. Peer group pressure would be ineffectual.

It puts it firmly back in place as a medical issue, rather than a social one.

Thanks. noblegiraffe. I also asked,
'Are you saying you think that should be good enough for, let's say a Labour supporter like me?'
Because I've been a Labour supporter my entire life but I don't think it's good enough to kick my rights to single sex spaces into the long grass.

Did you vote for them in 2019 when self-id was in the manifesto?

Which is all very well moving forward (although we are not moving forward as the government has not yet decided that this is the guidance), but it doesn't address the issue of those children without that medical support who may or may not have genuine dysphoria and who probably have zero chance of accessing any medical diagnosis within any reasonable timescale.

They are now to have the rug abruptly pulled from under them?

The concept of transubstantiation is frequently used with regards to gender ideology. Perhaps you didn't know that?

Your assertion, Datun that Endlesstea meant "magical transubstantiating children' in a totally neutral inoffensive way, despite the otherwise offensive context of their posts is rather undermined by the other deliberately offensive content, and the subsequent post suggesting that they don't care if it's offensive.

Did you vote for them in 2019 when self-id was in the manifesto?

Which is all very well moving forward (although we are not moving forward as the government has not yet decided that this is the guidance), but it doesn't address the issue of those children without that medical support who may or may not have genuine dysphoria and who probably have zero chance of accessing any medical diagnosis within any reasonable timescale.

They are now to have the rug abruptly pulled from under them?

Which is all very well moving forward (although we are not moving forward as the government has not yet decided that this is the guidance), but it doesn't address the issue of those children without that medical support who may or may not have genuine dysphoria and who probably have zero chance of accessing any medical diagnosis within any reasonable timescale.

They are now to have the rug abruptly pulled from under them?

But, I am also taking the piss out of the idiots who believe in it.

Given that you are referring to children who have adopted a transgender identity in that fashion, perhaps you should be more considerate about who it may seem that you are taking the piss out of.

Yeah, trying to guilt trip a woman who is fully aware of the dangers of this ideology to all children, by invoking offended mythical children that no one has met, seen, or had any knowledge of?

Not the most persuasive argument I've ever seen.

I don’t think I could bring myself to ever vote Tory so it looks like I’ll just have to spoil my ballot paper. I live in an area where any idiot with a blue rosette will automatically get in and don’t feel too bad about my decision.

I don't think anyone is recommending any abrupt rug pulling. Most people are talking about a process by which schools and teachers stop affirming a dangerous ideology.

You've never met or seen a child who has adopted a transgender identity?

That might explain why you are so readily dismissive of them tbh.