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Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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fromorbit · 06/10/2026 06:23

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Zack Polanski, in white open necked shirt and dark jacket, addresses a Green Party rally, with microphone in hand

Zack Polanski stood by breast enlargment hypnosis claim

A newly unearthed interview from 2013 casts doubt on the Green Party leader's claim to have apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

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MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 10/10/2026 16:50

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Lalgarh · 10/10/2026 17:01

Oooh. A hidden reply

highame · 10/10/2026 17:28

That's interesting. There was talk of majority of Jewish Green faction being in support of the motion. Trouble is, I can't remember where I read it

highame · 10/10/2026 17:31

Sorry, yes, from the Guardian and she's facing a no confidence vote.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 10/10/2026 17:44

Lalgarh · 10/10/2026 17:01

Oooh. A hidden reply

It's a link to a photo of a Palestinian bagpipe band waiting to be approved. I think that the censors run a reduced service at weekends.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 10/10/2026 17:54

highame · 10/10/2026 17:31

Sorry, yes, from the Guardian and she's facing a no confidence vote.

What for? Being a Zionist, and therefore a racist?
I think we're seeing one inevitable conclusion of the Omnicause purity spiral grind it's way to self destruction.
Someone prominent who's been at the top of the party in the past needs to step up and publically tell Polanski to resign.
Then reverse this decision and tell the 150k entryists who've joined on Polanski's watch to leave.
Then again, there's a lot more fun to be had watching this purity spiral spit and fizz like a rogue firework.

nauticant · 10/10/2026 19:13

One thing this latest scandal and genderism have in common is the distortion of language. There are some interviews floating around of supporters of Zionism is racism in which they're asked what they mean by "Zionism" to explain their opposition to it and the answers tend to be something along the lines of the extermination of the Palestinians. So of course, who wouldn't support such a vote? That means that now, anyone who might talk reasonably about Zionism where the term has a more mainstream definition can be labelled as a racist.

Lalgarh · 10/10/2026 20:16

That TRA who looks like he's wearing Angela Rayners face upthread even bleeps out the word Zionist like he would TERF

inkymoose · 11/10/2026 00:26

Lalgarh · 10/10/2026 14:44

If they can allow themselves to be mobbed for this, how come they were able to block any GC motions, and what happens when or if the Gaza faction propose Something that's not trans inclusive?

They're the same people. The ones in the Green Party talking about Zionism are the same ones talking about gender, etc.

I was reading the website https://greensinexile.org.uk/ yesterday - thank you @MarieDeGournay on a similar thread - and the collapse of the Green Party has been accelerating for three or four years, those who shout the loudest drowning out reason and any listening to different points of view. Proper debate and policies about green matters have been ditched, replaced by naked political ambition to hold power at any cost. Any dissenters are thrown out by banning them from being members. It's a shambles.

Greens in Exile - Greens in Exile

Who are the Greens in Exile? We are a group of long-serving and loyal Green Party members who have been forced out of the Green party.

https://greensinexile.org.uk

highame · 11/10/2026 09:26

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 10/10/2026 14:42

The Greens have c230k members, only 80k of which are pre-Polanski, meaning a reasonable estimate that 150k are Omnicause/pro Gaza etc.
Imagine an online vote where 100% take part, and 150k vote for the Zionism Is Racism motion.
Because that's not beyond the bounds of possibility had the whole expanded membership voted online.

They have to pay to vote online, so who funded? I think it's about £25 and I can't imagine that many students wanting to stump up that amount

Lalgarh · 11/10/2026 09:39

inkymoose · 11/10/2026 00:26

They're the same people. The ones in the Green Party talking about Zionism are the same ones talking about gender, etc.

I was reading the website https://greensinexile.org.uk/ yesterday - thank you @MarieDeGournay on a similar thread - and the collapse of the Green Party has been accelerating for three or four years, those who shout the loudest drowning out reason and any listening to different points of view. Proper debate and policies about green matters have been ditched, replaced by naked political ambition to hold power at any cost. Any dissenters are thrown out by banning them from being members. It's a shambles.

Was this also connected with that equalities officer who's dad was a paedophile. Can't remember the details now but this was all under Caroline Lucas

borntobequiet · 11/10/2026 09:49

Aimee Challenor may be the person you’re thinking of.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/10/2026 10:27

It surprises me that the media is only now realising that entryism has been going on...or that it has been going on for many years. The Greens became radicalised years ago starting with the 'trans' issue. Getting rid of Zack Polanski is neither here nor there. Though getting rid of him sooner rather than later will reveal even more clearly that fact. I think it is too late for the older, ecology minded members to claim the party back.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 11/10/2026 10:36

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/10/2026 10:27

It surprises me that the media is only now realising that entryism has been going on...or that it has been going on for many years. The Greens became radicalised years ago starting with the 'trans' issue. Getting rid of Zack Polanski is neither here nor there. Though getting rid of him sooner rather than later will reveal even more clearly that fact. I think it is too late for the older, ecology minded members to claim the party back.

Edited

Whatever one thinks of Starmer, his strength of purpose sorted Labour, and purged the Corbynista anti Semites.
I don't see anyone in the Greens able to do the same.
Even now, there's nothing but murmurings from the most prominent Greens like Lucas that "something must be done".
Maybe the original (non entryist) Greens have been drinking too much tea out of cups that say "Keep calm and carry on".

fromorbit · 11/10/2026 11:06

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 10/10/2026 14:42

The Greens have c230k members, only 80k of which are pre-Polanski, meaning a reasonable estimate that 150k are Omnicause/pro Gaza etc.
Imagine an online vote where 100% take part, and 150k vote for the Zionism Is Racism motion.
Because that's not beyond the bounds of possibility had the whole expanded membership voted online.

We need to be careful before we assume ALL the 150k recent joiners are extremists.

The Greens internal politics is messy. We can see the internal politics as looking something like this.

Blue Greens - Basically liberal Tories with a Green focus.
Deep Greens - Pro environmental focus above anything else.
Average Greens - Basically typical Greens/lefties tend towards calmer rhetoric focused on electoral politics.
Red Greens - More left socialist leaning. Often former Labour members.
Hard Red Greens - More hard-line socialists.
ZPPIES/Hypnotities - Zack's fanbase. We are critical of him here, but a LOT of people really love him.
GAZAite Hardliners - Focused on Israel/Jews above anything else. Many Muslim Greens here too.
Feminist Greens - Pro women
Gender Greens - Focused on trans stuff
Jewish Greens
Muslim Greens

The incomers are a mix of Gazaites. various types of Red Greens, ZPIEs, Genderists, Muslims and many average greens/lefties looking for political change. Some of them will be focused on electoral success more than anti-Israel stuff. How the numbers break down remains to be seen. We can't tell much from the conference.

Also if ZPy was brave enough he could have used his large following of ZPIEs to act as a counterweight to the Gaza hardliners by pushing a compromise motion. Instead he was too unfocused and weak.

I don't think we can know for sure how this will play out. The Gazaites/hard left are committed and organised, but they also managed to wreck Corbyn's Labour, and Your party. We are not talking about mastermind long term planners here.

With Lucas coming forward as a figure focused on ending entryism inside the party and reforming internal structures the Gazaites are facing an organised alliance which consists of most of the party MPs, and one Deputy leader plus many existing Green councillors and local parties. Lets call them the moderate alliance. These are not to be underestimated. Greens spent years trying to win seats in difficult conditions. The entryists took them by surprise now is the chance to fight back. They can mass an alliance of not only existing members, but new members who are open to persuasion and without a fanatical focus on Israel.

ZPy may just let Lucas and others take the lead on this. At least in public while lending support from background.

I think the key battleground is the Spring conference 2027 as I said before. It is online only so way easier for both sides to get people in. Last time though existing Greens used their positions of power to block the Gazaites from getting a motion through. This time the moderate alliance will focus on getting a moderate motion on Israel through to overrule the extremist one just passed. They will also seek to change attendance rules though I am not sure how much power the Spring conference has to do that. Expect it to be another massive car crash.

After that comes the May local elections and then the August leadership contests. All that will add fuel to the fire.

So the next year will see a battle for the soul of the Greens. I think the moderate alliance if they move hard and fast enough has a solid chance of blocking the Gazities and even pushing back. They can fight back by focusing on UK politics rather than fanciful stuff about the Middle East. Also the Gazaites/hardline red greens are pretty awful people. They will put people off. Their effective leader is Mothin Ali who is massively flawed. Some also seem likely to make the mistake of making more attacks on ZPy directly probably by making racist statements this has already started. They may even run a candidate against him. This I think is the only thing this which might push him into actively lead a fight back. This in turn could cause the ZPies to turn on the Gaza types for being mean to lovely Zack.

From a gender/sex perspective a solid section of the Gazaites will also turn on the Gender Greens if they get the chance. This probably become clear during the conflict. This will lead to a lot of DRAMA.

I think then the likely outcomes are either the moderates win or the party is trapped in internal war possibly leading to it breaking up.

I am really not sure the Gazaites can win outright at the moment. In fact I am not sure they want to win in a conventional sense. They may be strong enough to paralyse or destroy the party though.

Get popcorn ready.

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fromorbit · 11/10/2026 11:14

I should have added another important lefty faction to the list.

Creepy Male Predators - Political activism is a hunting ground to finding more victims as young as possible.

There is a solid chance that another scandal about predators emerges in the next year within the Greens with all the influx of new members.

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MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 11/10/2026 11:18

fromorbit · 11/10/2026 11:06

We need to be careful before we assume ALL the 150k recent joiners are extremists.

The Greens internal politics is messy. We can see the internal politics as looking something like this.

Blue Greens - Basically liberal Tories with a Green focus.
Deep Greens - Pro environmental focus above anything else.
Average Greens - Basically typical Greens/lefties tend towards calmer rhetoric focused on electoral politics.
Red Greens - More left socialist leaning. Often former Labour members.
Hard Red Greens - More hard-line socialists.
ZPPIES/Hypnotities - Zack's fanbase. We are critical of him here, but a LOT of people really love him.
GAZAite Hardliners - Focused on Israel/Jews above anything else. Many Muslim Greens here too.
Feminist Greens - Pro women
Gender Greens - Focused on trans stuff
Jewish Greens
Muslim Greens

The incomers are a mix of Gazaites. various types of Red Greens, ZPIEs, Genderists, Muslims and many average greens/lefties looking for political change. Some of them will be focused on electoral success more than anti-Israel stuff. How the numbers break down remains to be seen. We can't tell much from the conference.

Also if ZPy was brave enough he could have used his large following of ZPIEs to act as a counterweight to the Gaza hardliners by pushing a compromise motion. Instead he was too unfocused and weak.

I don't think we can know for sure how this will play out. The Gazaites/hard left are committed and organised, but they also managed to wreck Corbyn's Labour, and Your party. We are not talking about mastermind long term planners here.

With Lucas coming forward as a figure focused on ending entryism inside the party and reforming internal structures the Gazaites are facing an organised alliance which consists of most of the party MPs, and one Deputy leader plus many existing Green councillors and local parties. Lets call them the moderate alliance. These are not to be underestimated. Greens spent years trying to win seats in difficult conditions. The entryists took them by surprise now is the chance to fight back. They can mass an alliance of not only existing members, but new members who are open to persuasion and without a fanatical focus on Israel.

ZPy may just let Lucas and others take the lead on this. At least in public while lending support from background.

I think the key battleground is the Spring conference 2027 as I said before. It is online only so way easier for both sides to get people in. Last time though existing Greens used their positions of power to block the Gazaites from getting a motion through. This time the moderate alliance will focus on getting a moderate motion on Israel through to overrule the extremist one just passed. They will also seek to change attendance rules though I am not sure how much power the Spring conference has to do that. Expect it to be another massive car crash.

After that comes the May local elections and then the August leadership contests. All that will add fuel to the fire.

So the next year will see a battle for the soul of the Greens. I think the moderate alliance if they move hard and fast enough has a solid chance of blocking the Gazities and even pushing back. They can fight back by focusing on UK politics rather than fanciful stuff about the Middle East. Also the Gazaites/hardline red greens are pretty awful people. They will put people off. Their effective leader is Mothin Ali who is massively flawed. Some also seem likely to make the mistake of making more attacks on ZPy directly probably by making racist statements this has already started. They may even run a candidate against him. This I think is the only thing this which might push him into actively lead a fight back. This in turn could cause the ZPies to turn on the Gaza types for being mean to lovely Zack.

From a gender/sex perspective a solid section of the Gazaites will also turn on the Gender Greens if they get the chance. This probably become clear during the conflict. This will lead to a lot of DRAMA.

I think then the likely outcomes are either the moderates win or the party is trapped in internal war possibly leading to it breaking up.

I am really not sure the Gazaites can win outright at the moment. In fact I am not sure they want to win in a conventional sense. They may be strong enough to paralyse or destroy the party though.

Get popcorn ready.

But Polanski endlessly talks Gaza. How does he pivot from this, even if his Zppy acolytes wouldn't mind him too? It would be way too visible as nakedly political and self serving. Surely he couldn't easily square that circle.
Then again, he's changed his politics more than he's shaved (as my wife always says about him, have a shave and shower please) over time (LD centrist dad to hardcore Omnicauser), so maybe he'll have the political chutzpa to change again.
I can't see it myself, no Teflon coated Farage is he.
PS why are his fans Zppys and not Zippys?

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2026 12:43

They always know. Someone always challenges and is ignored because some thinks they know better.

Daniel Sugarman
The Green party knew what was coming. They knew, because Jewish communal organisations told them. And I know that because I was there.

A thread.

2) Half a decade ago, when I was working for a prominent Jewish communal organisation, we met the then co-leaders of the Green party (on Zoom).

Among the topics of discussion was an explicit warning to them about the threat of entryism, and how it was coming their way.

3) At the time, Labour was cleaning house. In the wake of the EHRC ruling, there was a clear plan to ensure those who were spewing antisemitism would be kicked out. Some were expelled, some jumped before being pushed.

But where would they go instead? There was a clear option.

4) The Green party has long had a crank element to it. In fact, some of their members left & specifically joined Labour under Corbyn. So they'd be returning, we thought. But they'd be joined by others looking for a viable alternative. We'd seen discussions to that effect online.

5) So we warned the co-leaders. We got smiles and nods, but that was it.

Which brings me on to the subject of Jewish Greens.
Jewish Greens does not have the longevity, or natural suspicion of the far left, that the Jewish Labour Movement has. We worked with Jewish Greens too.

6) A few years ago, if you'll recall, arguments around antisemitism focused on the IHRA definition. Which we & all other major communal groups strongly backed.

Most parties adopted it unequivocally. The Greens did not.

7) The view in Jewish Greens was that they could persuade the Greens to adopt a motion which would provide both the IHRA definition AND the (far softer) Jerusalem Declaration, but that pushing for only IHRA would fail.

We weren't happy, but accepted they knew their party better.

8) Then, a couple of years ago, I found out that Jewish Greens had welcomed in THIS individual. Read the story for the full details. Not only had they let her in, she was now on the organisation's steering group.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/labour-expels-councillor-who-said-claims-of-antisemitism-given-privileged-status/amp/
Wirral official Jo Bird has been kicked out over her support for the proscribed group Labour Against the Witch Hunt

9) I lost it. I wrote Jewish Greens an extremely critical letter, effectively questioning their sanity.

They responded to my bosses, inquiring whether I was speaking for the organisation.

My bosses said while they would not have used the language I had, they shared my concerns.

10) Post 7 October, it was clear which direction the Greens were going.

Calling for a ceasefire was one thing. Unhesitatingly promoting the narratives concocted directly by various anti-Israel groups was another.

It kept getting worse. And it was a bat signal for cranks.

11) I don't think Zack Polanski genuinely believes a lot of the stuff he says. I think he takes whatever positions he sees as being in his own self interest to take. It goes well beyond Israel. 7 years ago Polanski was clear about the fact that Labour had an antisemitism problem.

12) In the last year he explicitly denounced that view, citing a book which takes the very real and extremely nasty antisemitism within Corbyn's Labour & twists it into being nothing but a massive conspiracy by Labour Together to bring down Corbyn.

Polanski apologised to Corbyn!

13) Apart from anything else, what that does is broadcast, in 20 foot high glowing letters, that the party YOU now lead is open for business to all the worst cranks that infested Labour under Corbyn.

Polanski might as well have put out a doormat for them.

14) And so it has proved. The Greens have no effective processes to properly combat the infestation of antisemitism which now grips them.

The only 'advantage', if you can call it that, is that it has taken the public a LOT less time to see what the Greens have now become.

15) This will get worse before it gets better. I think Polanski will double and triple down on his current positions in a desperate attempt to retain control and support.

Because, as sickening as he now is, there are now people in the Greens who are far, far worse.

16) I'll leave it there. Thanks for reading.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/10/2026 12:48

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 11/10/2026 10:36

Whatever one thinks of Starmer, his strength of purpose sorted Labour, and purged the Corbynista anti Semites.
I don't see anyone in the Greens able to do the same.
Even now, there's nothing but murmurings from the most prominent Greens like Lucas that "something must be done".
Maybe the original (non entryist) Greens have been drinking too much tea out of cups that say "Keep calm and carry on".

I note Caroline Lucas was on Radio 4's 'Any Questions' yesterday. She's obviously trying to re-emphasise her socialist style economic thinking ( re-distribution, taxing wealth etc) in order to steady the sinking ship, I presume.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/10/2026 14:45

“It cannot be right that 0.5% of the membership – 1,022 people,..."

Oh look, the magic 0.5% again, I thought it was the 1% that could kill you, either I've been overestimating all these years or Shrinkflation strikes again.

ArabellaScott · 11/10/2026 14:59

Scottish Green Party MSP Ariane Burgess causes uproar by 'liking' a social media post purportedly an Israeli flag covered in blood with a swastika on it.

Herald and Scotsman reporting.

ArabellaScott · 11/10/2026 15:00

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