Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

I agree, but the article is very interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/10/greens-must-avoid-capture-by-extremists-and-racists-ellie-chowns-zionism-racism

'A Green Party MP has said she wants to make sure her party is not “vulnerable to capture by extremists and racists” amid the continuing fallout from the “Zionism is racism” vote.'

Bit late, Ellie.

Ross Greer is here to demonstrate his diplomatic nuanced take:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26611821.scottish-greens-co-leader-ross-greer-says-zionism-racist/

"The state of Israel was founded by an act of genocide against Palestinians and that continues today. That's what we need to focus on. So I'm a bit frustrated that we're now having a debate about the definition of a word rather than how do we stop a genocide from happening."
"What we all consider the word to mean in an almost academic abstract way doesn't really matter compared to what is actually happening," he added.
"The state of Israel has always been a state that puts one group above others in an ethnic superiority complex, a system of racism," he added.
"Israel was founded in 1948 with the expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians from the land that they already lived on. Thousands were massacred. That was how the state of Israel was created.
"And for the seven decades since then, that has only got worse and worse and worse. And what we've now seen over the last couple of years is a genocide."
Mr Greer went on: "Jewish people deserve to live in safety, but the creation of the state of Israel was an act of ethnic cleansing. It was an act of racism, and I don't understand how people can say it wasn't."

Another one thick as mince. IMO. And arrogant in being ready to comment on historical events of which he knows nothing about. Also, IMO. Have none of these greens heard the saying’ better to stay silent and be thought a fool…’?

You only have to observe the clusterfuck that was the Scottish Greens over gender self ID to see what ideology in politics results in. The likes of Greer and Polanski are the textbook examples of the rise of the beta males in politics.
Just as misogynist as the alphas, if not more so, but hidden under a veneer of Be Kind.
Can anyone please tell me why so many young women, especially the educated credentialized class of professional women, are so politically at one with the likes of these two and the party they represent?

I'd say the Gazan entryism is the second wave for the Greens, after the genderists did it. There's probably a degree of overlap but the original 80,000 members probably include a chunk of the first wave. The Greens who joined because they actually principally care about the environment are a minority. In their own party.

'Greer studied politics and psychology at Strathclyde University, but left his studies in December 2012 after being recruited by Yes Scotland to be their communities co-ordinator for the forthcoming Scottish independence referendum.[8] Following the referendum, Greer was employed by the Scottish Greens in a role involving campaigns communications and fundraising'

(Wiki)

Holyrood's youngest ever MSP, iirc.

This is fascinating, from Reddit. Analysis of why Labour voters in H&SP didn’t vote Green, and one of the reasons quoted by multiple voters is their gender/trans policy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UKGreens/s/hZRymT2Sap

Comments from Green Redditors:

“huh. Didn't realise labour was more transphobic than the general public

I guess we grabbed all their trans friendly activists and they're not left with any.”

*

“It was the most surprising thing for me as well. The hell do you mean you are that crazy about someone's existence you aren't gonna vote for an MP because they accept the scientific position on them?”

"Greer was employed by the Scottish Greens in a role involving campaigns communications and fundraising'

They employed someone who speaks complete rubbish in a comms role. 😂 Says it all really. 😂

Greer Always reminds me of one of the puppets from Trumpton or Camberwick Green. It's the obviously stuck on beard that looks like it's being worn by a schoolboy

I love it when people who exist in hyperbarically sealed echo chambers are surprised by reality.

I had missed the relevance of this bit in Ross Greer's astonishing interview, because I didn't know the organisation involved.

A bit more context:

https://archive.ph/o8Ipb

'The co-leader of the Scottish Greens has hailed a pro-Palestinian education group as “incredible” despite its co-founder facing an investigation over antisemitism allegations.
Ross Greer, who this week backed highly contentious claims from the Greens in England and Wales that Zionism is racism, said he would continue to support Educators for Peace, which is campaigning for Scottish schools to abandon “neutrality” when teaching about the Gaza conflict.
One of the group’s co-founders, Sara El-Awaisi, has faced widespread condemnation after appearing in a video, aimed at children, in which repeated references are made to “Zios”.
While some claim the term is merely an innocent shorthand for Zionist or Zionism, concepts that can be subject of legitimate debate, it is widely seen as a racial slur and a proxy term for “Jew”.
El-Awaisi appeared in a video demonstrating a hand game for children, in which viewers are told the aim is to not “let the Zios grab your mosque”. It appeared to have been filmed in July at a conference for Muslim women in Indonesia.
In response to the footage, the Jewish Council of Scotland, the representative body for Scottish Jews, said that it “normalises an antisemitic slur and encourages prejudice through play.” It urged bodies who had previously supported Educators for Peace to “urgently review their support.” '

Bizarrely the way the GPEW is organised every single member of the Greens was eligible to attend conference & vote on the motions. Obviously it will be those with the time & money to attend so potentially disenfranchising 99% of the members who for whatever reason couldn't attend. There was an online option with full voting rights for £40 (£25 for those on an undefined low income). Perhaps they should be permitting online voting on motions from all members not just those who have paid to vote?

The Labour party has a local branch structure where the conference delegates vote reflecting the views of their branch when voting on motions. The Tories don't vote on policy it's more an annual celebration f Tory values.

Reform UK Party Ltd has a similar set up to GPEW but attendees must have been members for sixty days before attending whereas entryists can join the GPEW & immediately attend conference for as little as £6 per year.

It's interesting that while they both claim similar numbers of members the GPEW conference had 3,000 attendees while the Reform UK Party Ltd conference had 8,000 attendees.

Last night on Sky the politics editor noted there is no waiting period for voting. Pay your subs and you're in. Shades of the £3 membership that got Corbyn voted in for Labour leader.

An an old green party member told her that normally a proposal at a conference has 80 people supporting it's inclusion. The ZiR one had 800

The Greens have c230k members, only 80k of which are pre-Polanski, meaning a reasonable estimate that 150k are Omnicause/pro Gaza etc.
Imagine an online vote where 100% take part, and 150k vote for the Zionism Is Racism motion.
Because that's not beyond the bounds of possibility had the whole expanded membership voted online.

Indeed! And see how they continue to delude themselves that most people are on their side

If they can allow themselves to be mobbed for this, how come they were able to block any GC motions, and what happens when or if the Gaza faction propose Something that's not trans inclusive?

I think it pretty poor that over 200,000 members of the GPEW couldn't be arsed to pay £40/£25 to vote online for/against the conference motions defining party policy.

I believe that the LibDems also define policy with motions at conference & they had 5,000 out of 60,000 members attending.

https://educatorsforpeace.co.uk/learning#page-f

Educators for peace, Ross Greer's 'incredible' organisation:

'Across Scotland the far right is riding a global wave of anti-immigration sentiment and is increasingly emboldened on our streets. The protests taking place outside hotels housing asylum seekers have platformed racist and outrightly fascist organisations. The appearance of saltires in streets all over Scotland is weaponising our national identity in the service of these dangerous ideologies. Both our immigrant and ethnic minorities feel threatened and communities are dealing with the prospect of growing division.'

Are they actually campaigning against saltires?

A very liberal use of our.

https://educatorsforpeace.co.uk/peace-education

'...education for a just and peaceful world must:...Enact critical and transformative pedagogies that reject neutrality and impartiality in the face of injustice, and embrace liberation from oppression, solidarity, justice, peace
and democracy.'

I hope they are just very bad at sentence construction, but something tells me that's not all that's going on.

No, I think imposing asylum hotels on communities, and then shaming people who object to this into shutting up, is fuelling negative outcomes.

'Scotland has a huge historic responsibility to the people of Palestine, a responsibility today and young people across our country in particular want to know about the realities of the occupation and the apartheid regime'

Ross Greer at the Educators for Peace conference.

That will be telling.