Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

At the end of Polanski being satisfyingly done over on the Today programme by Nick Robinson, Polanski was invited to sum up where he and the Greens stood now. Polanski's answer was effectively Palestine, Palestine, Palestine, anti-racism, Palestine.

I think Robinson wanted to do him over because he was very unimpressed at a party leader having hid behind the shield of a by-election while chaos was breaking out in the party he was supposed to be leading. Especially during conference season.

Good to remember that the Greens would have probably done more badly if the postal votes hadn’t had to have been submitted before the motion vote.

This raises questions for the future.

I was thinking this. Postal votes are generally done some time before the polling day. This would put them before the party conference.

It's a reason I would not want to switch to a postal vote.

Galloway is 72. Mind you he wasn't actually even in the UK and still managed to get 314 votes. Wonder who they were

Disagree that Mothin Ali is likely to be leader.

He is way less effective politician than ZPy in debate and personality. He has a lot of skeletons now from a Green perspective. With the support for October 7th [very male violence enjoyer], the allowance scandal, the landlordism, the new drama about snatching a phone and his belief there are two sexes. These are all problems.

The truth is the Gaza left in the Greens will do a lot better if they can find a white leftist, as posh as possible, who believes the awful stuff Mothin does but in a less obvious way and also says biology doesn't exist. Be awful but be nicer and more middle class about it.

Mothin was elected as a token figure. He knows this on some level.

There is no evidence yet that the Hard Gaza left has enough control of the party to win in an open mass vote. The August 2027 leadership elections are going to be vicious for sure but I think it will also be be very divided. Lots of ambitious people who will be happy to step over Mothin Ali even from his own side. I may be wrong but hopefully the chaos will be revealing.

Wonder whether Adrian Ramsay or Caroline Lucas might be coming back to lead.

The Green Party is no longer the most trusted party on the Environment.

There's a lot in this chart to digest but the Green Party losing the area they historically campaigned for is significant.

August 2027 will see some of the MPs try for the leadership or the deputy leadership for sure. There are also a lot of Green Council leaders now as well.

Running is a great way of raising a profile and could set you up for being a Green MP now.

It is going be crazy. First election with 250,000 members.

“You had one job…”

The leftists would be enraged, they think he’s a TERF.

Slight derail…but how, just how, is it that the EMPs can see so clearly the difference and the threat of those who claim to be Islamic but are radical extremists - who use inclusion as a deliberate strategy - and are not peaceful Muslims. But then not see the difference between the old fashioned transsexuals and the radical MRAs extremists claiming to be transgender who use inclusion as a deliberate strategy but are not peaceful.

I mean, word for word this applies to GI. Bottom line, both are groups of men seeking to control and dominate everyone else’s reality, language, laws. Why does the EU see the threat in one, but not the other.
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A. whereas the Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, in accordance with Article 2 TEU;
B. whereas freedom of religion, freedom of expression and freedom of association are fundamental rights protected by the Treaties and the Charter; whereas these freedoms must not be instrumentalised to cover political strategies aimed at weakening democratic values, public order, equality between women and men or social cohesion;
C. whereas Islamist entryism does not refer to the peaceful practice of Islam, but to a political strategy of influence, progressive structuring, institutional penetration and ideological legitimisation; whereas criticism of a political ideology must not be equated with an attack on a religion;
D. whereas the strategy of Islamist entryism relies, in particular, on the organised confusion between Islam as a religion, which falls under freedom of conscience, and political Islam as a societal project, which seeks to produce collective norms, derogatory regimes or community allegiances placed above common law;
E. whereas separatist narratives, systematic victimhood, antisemitism, hatred of Israel, conspiracy narratives, challenges to secularism, the use of religion as a tool of social control or the contestation of equality between women and men may constitute markers of ideological radicalisation or Islamist influence;
F. whereas Islamist influence operates through a broad and fragmented ecosystem of associations, foundations and cultural, educational, religious, charitable, university, youth, anti-discrimination or social action structures;
G. whereas the Muslim Brotherhood constitutes the archetype of these transnational Islamist networks; whereas its method relies more on relays, associated structures, slogans, alliances and bodies of evidence than on visible formal membership; whereas this movement carries a political project based on the primacy of religious norms over common law, which is incompatible with democratic principles, the rule of law and equality between citizens;
H. whereas this network logic results in the capture of EU funds, notably through participation in projects funded by the EU; whereas entities such as the Forum of European Muslim Youth and Student Organisations (FEMYSO), the European Network Against Racism, Al Sharq Forum, Islamic Relief Worldwide and the University of Gaziantep have received, or have been associated with projects receiving, EU funding in sensitive areas such as youth, anti-discrimination, education, culture, research, humanitarian action, intercultural dialogue or university programmes, despite having raised serious questions regarding their ideological, institutional or financial links with networks linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or political Islam;
I. whereas the search for institutional respectability constitutes a central lever for these networks; whereas an invitation to a European institution, participation in a consultation, a mention in a report, a partnership with an agency or access to an EU programme may constitute a form of political label;
J. whereas some Islamist networks are able, in their institutional relations, to adopt the vocabulary of fundamental rights, inclusion, diversity, intercultural dialogue, anti-racism and the fight against discrimination, while promoting in other spaces logics of separation, community pressure or contestation of democratic principles;
K. whereas diversity, equity, inclusion and anti-discrimination frameworks may be diverted as vectors of institutional legitimisation, by integrating a politicised religious identity into legitimate causes for the protection of minorities; whereas the necessary fight against discrimination targeting people of Muslim faith must not become a Trojan horse enabling the political recognition of organised Islamist actors;

I feel the same way. This motion was obviously awful but fucking crickets in the media etc over what the Greens have already done to women’s rights and female members.

I weirdly have a mutual who knows Galloway and thinks he's great. Far left, white guy. Remarkably open minded as it goes to the point that he's just gullible and easily persuaded by charismatic individuals. He'd vote Galloway without blinking. There are people like that whom Galloway just hits the spot with.

Jenny Jones from the Greens is currently cringing her way through some difficult questions on the Nicky Campbell show.

I think that ZP is going to resign pretty soon, he doesn't have the character to stick around now that his popularity is on the slide.
The 'new' Greens will install Hannah Spencer as interim leader and puppet her for as long as possible before the inevitable implosion. They are going to run out of money from defending various discrimination cases.

But being leader brings ZP the heady combination of revenue + attention. Which will win out? Doesn’t like the current attention but probably still likes the current revenue. Will be entertaining to watch.

IF the greens haven't gone full TWAW and then 'We Hate Jews', I think there's a real question about how well they would be doing now.

I think they were in a space that a lot of people would consider but for the presence of the resident nutters.

Mandy Rhodes
Zack Polanski on @BBCr4today claiming @LabourParty set the date of the by-election immediately after the party conference to “create this kind of dynamic”…[he’ll be claiming the Labour Party wrote the Zionism is racism motion next!]

Leader of the party admits he has a party he can't manage at conference not to look like nutters and then complains it made him look bad and that's why he lost the by-election.

Honestly, DS is 12 and going through a phase of making up the shittest excuses you've ever heard for why he can't tidy his room, go to bed or do his homework.

Polanski is on the same level.

You can tell he's not got kids.

Women are just too irritating to be talked about clearly.

The problem is women exist, British law currently agrees and as I posted earlier in the thread in 2027 and after the Greens are going to take a pounding in the law courts over this. The media might not care, but women keeping winning anyway.

Multiple court cases incoming for the Greens. Emma Bateman will be between be in court between Sept 2027 and Feb 2028. Plus Ali Sharwar, Green Womens Declaration, Women of Wessex etc. They have no deep defence except women are icky.

How much money will they throw away over it?

They were only really supposed to be a kind of pressure group to spur the ruling politicians into action.

They’ve managed to fob off Emma’s case for years, haven’t they? I donated ages ago!

Yep. One could argue the Greens' 'single state' solution has a precursor in their willingness to erase women in law.

Sex Matters and Naomi Campbell have played a blinder organisationally. I don't know how much of it is courage calls to courage, but the fact that they have managed both to push through the high profile cases and to become a beacon institution for grass roots talk and action is an amazing achievement.

At the same time, lots of grassroots organisations have sprouted and connected - there's Tribunal Tweets and FWS and the Mumsnet Feminism boards (I suspect partly because of the increased safety from SM's gains). And they have been sufficiently successful for even male dominated organisations like FSU, The Christian Legal Centre and Nick Wallis to become involved. Apologies if I have got the order of joining wrong; this is my impression not a proper history.

Here arriveth my point; the Greens have either not got the same public interest arena or they just haven't managed to swing the same public interest and organisational heft / strategic legal battles. Speculation that the Greens are bordering on bankruptcy from having to defend their treatment of GC women are now into several years, but the cases go very very slowly and the bankruptcy doesn't happen. I am ignorant of what happens if a political party is bankrupt and would be interested to hear.

Apologies if I have made wrong assumptions; happy to be corrected with better information.

Is that this?

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2026/10/green-official-mosques-backed-by-election-candidates-undercover