Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Labour HOLD Holborn and St Pancras

Labour: 45.0% (-3.9)
Green: 32.7% (+22.3)
Conservative: 7.0% (-0.2)
Reform: 5.9% (-0.2)
Liberal Democrats: 3.4% (-2.4)
Restore: 2.5% (+2.5)
Workers: 1.1% (+1.1)

Just up and seen the aftermath. Polanski surrounded by heavies and looking utterly unhinged trying to grin out the result. Says he's staying as leader

Elsewhere leftish internet are pointing to this tweet from Abdi Wali to prove she's a Hated CENTRIST and Not An Socialist ⚠️🙀🙀🙀🙀😟😰

https://x.com/SagalAW/status/1216748526325071874

NB this is that EU vote on entryism by the Muslim brotherhood

https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/198051

I'm intrigued by the turnout figures.

2024 general election 54.1% vs 2026 by-election 38.76%

Despite the publicity / controversy or because of it?

Or is there usually a substantial difference in turnout between general elections and by-elections?

Polanski defends his leadership:

He denied he had lost control of his party, adding: "I've got a party that was 55,000, 60,000 members when I was running for leader, [which] is now 220,000.

Yes, that is the reason that people believe you have lost control of the party…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2d6x11l6pko

Labour: 45.0% (-3.9)
Green: 32.7% (+22.3)
Shouldn't think Burnham will be going for a GE anytime soon. That's quite a hike in the Green Vote. He won't resign with those sort of figures and Labour will be feeling a bit nervy, or should be

Most of the increase is due to Andrew Feinstein not running as an Independent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holborn_and_St_Pancras

Good analysis of the figures here.

https://open.substack.com/pub/kellnerp/p/the-figures-that-make-sagal-abdi

Full Results.

Sagal Abdi-Wali (Lab) 12,292 (45.17%, -3.75%)

Zack Polanski (Green) 8,928 (32.81%, +22.37%)

Ewan Cameron (C) 1,922 (7.06%, -0.13%)

Peter Newman (Reform) 1,612 (5.92%, -0.22%)

Patrick Stillman (LD) 924 (3.40%, -2.40%)

Tyler Johnson (Restore) 692 (2.54%)

George Galloway (WPB) 314 (1.15%)

Briony Kapoor (Rejoin) 236 (0.87%)

Barmy Brunch (Loony) 87 (0.32%, -0.10%)

Helen Spiby-Vann (CPA) 63 (0.23%)

Clare Fischer (Climate) 51 (0.19%)

Ben Walker (UKIP) 51 (0.19%, -0.01%)

Ketankumar Pipaliya (Voice) 23 (0.08%)

Jonathan Silberman (Comm Lge) 9 (0.03%)

Tom Darwood (ND) 7 (0.03%, -18.92%)

Lab maj 3,364 (12.36%)

13.06% swing Lab to Green

Electorate 70,449; Turnout 27,211 (38.63%, -15.52%)

2024:
Lab maj 11,572 (29.98%) – Turnout 38,602 (54.14%)
Starmer (Lab) 18,884 (48.92%); Feinstein (ND) 7,312 (18.94%);
Stansell (Green) 4,030 (10.44%); Malik (C) 2,776 (7.19%); Roberts
(Reform) 2,371 (6.14%); Clinton (LD) 2,236 (5.79%); Islam (Ind) 636
(1.65%); Brick (Loony) 162 (0.42%); Poynton (UKIP) 75 (0.19%);
Scripps (Soc Eq) 61 (0.16%); Kumar (Ind) 40 (0.10%); Smith (ND) 19
(0.05%)

Key takeaway. This is a mediocre result for the Greens. They lost by 12%, and got less turnout than than in 2024 if you combine the lefty anti-Labour vote Andrew Feinstein (ND) 7,312 (18.94%); & Stansell (Green) 4,030 (10.44%); you got 11,442 vs the 2026 Zack Polanski (Green) 8,928 result.

That is with the Greens leader standing and huge attention on the by-election and a favourable urban seat. The racist motion obviously would not have helped, but there are wider issues too the Greens are way more unpopular.

There are attempts to spin this out there for the Greens. Compare the Gorton by-election though where the Greens were running an unknown. They smashed Labour with a big win and increased turnout.

Peter Kellner on Gorton
There, George Galloway’s Workers Party stood aside, having won 10.3 per cent two years ago. So the combined Green/Workers baseline was 23.5 per cent. In the by-election, the Greens’ Hannah Spencer won 40.7 per cent, a hefty 17.2 point increase on the combined left-wing share in 2024.
Kellner also points out that, when Hannah Spencer won Gorton and Denton for the Greens in February, the total number of people voting for her as the Green/left was up by more than 6,000 on the equivalent vote at the general election. That was a sign her campaign had generated huge enthusiasm. In Holborn and St Pancras, the overall Green/left vote was down by more than 2,000 on the 2024 result.

As @RedToothBrush has pointed out, Andrew Feinstein didn't stand this time and told his supporters to vote for the Greens.

In 2024 he came second to Keir Starmer, standing as an Independent, with 18.9% of the vote.

He is a very left wing figure who was in late 2024 one the proposed leaders of a new entity, which became Your Party.

I don't doubt that the Greens garnered a good many votes from that end of the spectrum, now that Your Party has pretty much crumbled to dust.

By elections ALWAYS have a lower turnout than general elections, which is why they can be unpredictable. It often comes down to who is better at getting their vote out - so who is more motivated to vote.

You would expect that a sitting government is less able to get people to vote than a challenger who is 'offering hope'.

Demographically on paper the history of the constituency suggests you would expect that the Greens would have a bottom deck of about 29% in this time (independent who endorsed the greens plus the green vote).

They were hoping for a big swing of labour voters to greens in a favourable constituency. This hasn't happened.

Big questions for Hypnotits who effectively went all in expecting to win here. He didn't.

ZPy has peaked his leadership is in crisis. The Greens will be beset by internal discord from now on.

A few crisis points are coming up the 2027 May Local elections in Wales. England, Scotland.

The Greens are defending 528 seats in England up for election a number of those being in rural areas. With the new more toxic Green party a bunch of seats are at risk. The other parties will be out for blood as the Greens face a threat from Labour, Tories and Lib Dems in different areas.

The Greens Leadership and Deputy leadership August 2027 contests will be vicious and nasty. ZPY will be defending possibly facing a challenge from both moderate forces and the hard Gaza left.

In the Deputy leadership Mothin Ali will face a challenge from more moderate Greens and Rachel Millward will face a challenge from the hard Gaza left. Also Ali's refusal to talk about the conflict between women's rights and trans claims will not be accepted this time. Expect that to get messy.

The contest will highlight the toxic nature of Green politics.

For pro-women supporters the collapse of the Green party is a great opportunity. It is proof that apart from other issues like the lack of faith in a leader like Starmer and his agenda ordinary Brits are not enthused by a party that wants to damage women's rights. The Greens campaigning in Holborn focused on their claim they would bring peace to the Middle East. Nonsense and irrelevant. They didn't explain openly why they think women don't deserve rights. Because it can't be defended.

2027 should see progress in the various legal cases against the Greens for being anti-women. They all look pretty strong. We can expect some wins.

In turn the Trans activists face a big problem - a significant chunk of the Gaza left is happy to throw them out when it comes to priorities for policies. An alliance with Muslim extremists is not a solid plan for them long term. We can expect the leadership elections to highlight this divide again.

Can anyone explain what entryism is?

And I’m relieved that the constituents of H&StP saw sense but that’s still a big jump. So not enough sense. Or, perhaps make perfect strategic sense to those who did vote for ZP. Who knows.

NOW he says he'd have voted against the motion when it's clear the public do not like what the Green Party is selling.

I don't think we need to actually listen to him. A photo of his smug face trying to style it out is more than enough.

Was Feinstein ex Your Party/ momentum or SWP?

They just had ZP on R4 Today repeatedly asked if he thought Israel should exist/ the vote and he did a politicians non answer waffling about safe homes to every single one. Also got skewered on his lack of leadership

I think there's quite a few people who will appreciate this.

Too late ZPy you had 7 months since March to try stop the motion there were massive warnings of the danger. You did very little and what you did was behind the scenes. You were really two faced about it. Now you own the result.

ZPy has been damaged by the Holborn result no doubt. It is complete contrast to Gorton. Only more problems for him going forward.

Yes Burnham's popularity will drop off, but that won't help ZPy who is now as toxic to many votes as Farage.

Waking up to see.Polanski is this morning's toast.

Who will replace him?

That man has inherited Johnson’s mantle. Didn’t someone say Johnson would see which way the wind was blowing then run in front and shout ‘follow me’.

The Greens campaigning in Holborn focused on their claim they would bring peace to the Middle East.

So many things to say on that one. The hubris. The arrogance. The stupidity. The ignorance. Opting to bypass the myriad of real problems experienced by the constituents.

Entryism is a longstanding far left tactic of sending left wing activists into political parties with the aim of taking them over from within. Rather than standing their own candidates in their own parties and openly advocating their own policies and trying to win support that way. Entryists often hide their true allegiance or organization to avoid rejection and they lie a lot about their motivations. Basically cuckoo type tactics.

It is strongly advocated by some Trotskyists groups.

Caroline Lucas from Newsnight last night via Pippa Crera

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2108319437023818091

Team Zack mobbing her in the comments

Entryism is when a group of outsiders join an existing political party on mass at the same time and effectively hijack it and destroy it's previous goals and change it to their own.

Many of the newcomers who were kicked from the Labour party for anti-Semitism.

Lubna Speitan is on camera explicitly stating she only joined the party to further her agenda on enabling anti-Semitism to give it credibility and establish it as legitimate.

Mothin Ali is highly likely to become the next leader and change the aims and objectives of the party from an environmental focused party to the Islamic party of England and Wales after initially pretending to be the Identity Politics party.

The Green Party is dead.

So if his voters went Green that would largely account for the swing.

From what I saw online, Greens were hammering the campaigning, too. They are very big on PR and ads.

Maybe slick media campaigning isnt enough and you actually need rational policies, too?

Dan Hodges
Couple of other things to note from the result. Someone else whose political career is now over is George Galloway. Nowhere. Reform went backwards. Tories held firm. And Restore came close to overtaking the Lib Dems. Although that is partly down to significant tactical voting.

George Galloway has been the defacto Islamic Party representation until now.

I was surprised about Restore getting more votes than Galloway.

Holborn was a demographically favourable constituency for a far left party.

I note that Gorton is a demographically favourable constituency for an Islamic party.

There will be conversations over this from all angles. It's an area that's highly sensitive and lots of people are squeemish about for legitimate reasons but it's a conversation that's now going to be unavoidable I think.

Can of worms opened.

Thanks Zack. That will be your legacy as leader.