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Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 12/09/2026 19:14

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
[my bold]

And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

BBC Gender Apology Row

Now they’re in trouble. Sex Matters. (l-r) Dr Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater and Fiona McAnena I am not a defund the BBC sort, but I can understand the frustrations of those who are. I have spok…

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

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Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:45

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/09/2026 23:44

And of course the eternal question - given that lots of men face risks from other men in various ways, why is it only the ones who claim to be women that anyone is suggesting have to get a pass to hide in the ladies bogs? Are the others not as important or something?

Apparently, they are Schrödinger’s men. Safe enough to be around TIM in mixed sex spaces, but totally unsafe to be around TIM in male spaces.

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 23:46

alcovecupboards · 12/09/2026 23:27

It wouldn't be a problem for me - it would be for some of the more vocal 'GC' voices who have turned it into a money-making venture. (I don't actually believe they are GC in actual fact - I think they think they've found a grift to earn an easy crust from a captive audience. I think had it been financially necessary 15 years ago they'd be fully paid-up members of the no debate society.

Now do the Good Law Project😁

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:46

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:40

So if men can’t be trusted to behave well in hospital wards and prisons, why are you expecting them to behave better in toilets? I mean, TIM will obviously have to use male wards and prisons now, so surely they’d be unsafe there? So by your logic, we should make prisons and psych wards mixed sex as well.

I've repeated myself three times and explicitly told you I don't advocate for that, and you're still arguing with an imaginary position I hold. At this point, I have to assume you don’t have basic reading comprehension skills.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 12/09/2026 23:47

alcovecupboards · 12/09/2026 23:34

Not billions but don't you find it odd that there are a few people who never mentioned it until they found a way to monetize it? Nick being one. Sharon Davies being another. She was down to her last farthing a few years ago and now she's raking in £400 a day at taxpayer's expense. You really think she believes half the nonsense she spouts?

I very much doubt that Nick Wallis is making much money out of this. He is just following the story. If there wasn't so much to write about, he would write about something else.

The attempt to remove sex discrimnation from the Equality Act is quite newsworthy as are medical scandals.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/09/2026 23:48

Sharon Davies is an Olympian, her Damehood was in recognition for all that she's done for women's sport in this country. The fact that she's been campaigning to get males out of female sports is probably why it's taken the establishment so long to give her her gong.
She's worth every penny of the £400 a day at taxpayer's expense she's raking in.

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:44

So if you believe mixed sex toilets and spaces are unsafe for women, why do you think we should implement them? Just to protect TIM. In that case, no. Male on male violence is nothing to do with women. If some men feel unsafe in male spaces, that’s on men to solve.

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:50

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:46

I've repeated myself three times and explicitly told you I don't advocate for that, and you're still arguing with an imaginary position I hold. At this point, I have to assume you don’t have basic reading comprehension skills.

You are the one who said we should make facilities mixed sex so that some men who feel unsafe in male facilities could feel safer. I’m just pointing out the flaws in your logic. I think this is why the TRA never made it #nodebate, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel 😂😂😂😂😂

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:51

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

No. TIM use the men’s. As they are men. If they don’t like it, too bad, so sad. Women are saying no.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/09/2026 23:53

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

I'm assuming you meant without the rampant entitlement because otherwise it makes no sense. And no, we can't put that genie back in the bottle, they brought the barriers down and invited everyone in the margins in, now we have to deal with all the problems that come with it.

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 23:55

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

No. We educated ourselves, and discovered that they are just as violent and misogynistic as other men. No dolls, no bricks, no fetishists. Not in women's words or our spaces or our sports.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/09/2026 23:55

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:50

You are the one who said we should make facilities mixed sex so that some men who feel unsafe in male facilities could feel safer. I’m just pointing out the flaws in your logic. I think this is why the TRA never made it #nodebate, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel 😂😂😂😂😂

But there's been a chance to accuse women of not having "reading comprehension skills" 😄 It's been at least what, three days? or maybe longer since we heard another transactivist accusing women of "failing to understand" their arguments.

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2026 23:56

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 19:15

All toilets should just go unisex. Problem solved.

Tbf, I assumed this was satire… to make a point. Was it meant to be taken literally?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/09/2026 23:57

Wild that someone apparently thinks it's more likely that someone would pretend to care about women's rights to make money than someone might actually care about women's rights.

It certainly tells you how much value they place on women's rights in the grand scheme of things doesn't it, that they should think it unlikely that people speaking up for women might actually genuinely think this matters?

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:57

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/09/2026 23:55

But there's been a chance to accuse women of not having "reading comprehension skills" 😄 It's been at least what, three days? or maybe longer since we heard another transactivist accusing women of "failing to understand" their arguments.

Seriously?! I have explained this to him so many times. This isn’t about dismissing him for the sake of it. If you actually read the threat, the bad faith argument is incredible clear.

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:59

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

@NotTodayTy So can you give me one benefit to women of making toilets mixed sex? You’ve mentioned the benefit to TIM, but not the benefit to women. What do women get out of this arrangement?

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:00

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:51

No. TIM use the men’s. As they are men. If they don’t like it, too bad, so sad. Women are saying no.

I don’t use the mens I’m afraid, I transitioned very early 20d and have very successfully integrated. You wouldn’t have any reason to fear me, but I certainly do understand why you’d have an issue with some people

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:01

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:00

I don’t use the mens I’m afraid, I transitioned very early 20d and have very successfully integrated. You wouldn’t have any reason to fear me, but I certainly do understand why you’d have an issue with some people

You are Brianna Wu and I claim my $5

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:02

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 23:59

@NotTodayTy So can you give me one benefit to women of making toilets mixed sex? You’ve mentioned the benefit to TIM, but not the benefit to women. What do women get out of this arrangement?

What about the warm fuzzy feeling you’ll get from being nice to others? 😉

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:03

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:00

I don’t use the mens I’m afraid, I transitioned very early 20d and have very successfully integrated. You wouldn’t have any reason to fear me, but I certainly do understand why you’d have an issue with some people

@MrsOvertonsWindow we’ve got another “I totally pass” one. Think it’s been at least a week since one of them. @NotTodayTy aahhh so that’s why you’re so keen on protecting TIM at the expense of women. All is revealed. Youre one of those misogynistic people who don’t believe women should have rights or opinions. Gotcha.

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:03

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:02

What about the warm fuzzy feeling you’ll get from being nice to others? 😉

Deflection. You cannot answer the question.

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:04

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:01

You are Brianna Wu and I claim my $5

That might be the most offensive thing anyone has ever said to me. I don’t use filters .

FlirtsWithRhinos · 13/09/2026 00:04

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/09/2026 23:53

I'm assuming you meant without the rampant entitlement because otherwise it makes no sense. And no, we can't put that genie back in the bottle, they brought the barriers down and invited everyone in the margins in, now we have to deal with all the problems that come with it.

Also, back then everyone accepted that "living as a woman" meant wearing a dress and simpering. It was obvious trans women weren't really men (because of the dresses and the simpering) so why would anyone object to them in the ladies bogs?

But they can't get away with that now. They can't justify treating men as women because of how they look or act because everyone can see that's just sexist shite.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:05

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:02

What about the warm fuzzy feeling you’ll get from being nice to others? 😉

Hahaha no. you could turn that around couldn’t you? TIM could use the men’s and get a nice fuzzy feeling they were obeying the law and respecting women’s single sex spaces couldn’t they? Funny how that thought never enters their heads isn’t it? Must be the male entitlement.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:05

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:04

That might be the most offensive thing anyone has ever said to me. I don’t use filters .

Nooo. Andrea Chu obviously 😂😂😂😂

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:06

FlirtsWithRhinos · 13/09/2026 00:04

Also, back then everyone accepted that "living as a woman" meant wearing a dress and simpering. It was obvious trans women weren't really men (because of the dresses and the simpering) so why would anyone object to them in the ladies bogs?

But they can't get away with that now. They can't justify treating men as women because of how they look or act because everyone can see that's just sexist shite.

I very rarely wear a dress. It’s jeans and a jumper for me normally

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