Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

[BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp]

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
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And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

I am a bit annoyed that the BBC gave such a detailed and attentive reply to a bloke (well done 'Bob Hamstead') when so many of us women have had the corporate brush off repeatedly for years.

So you’d expect TIM to respect the law and use mens spaces?

It's an AI reply. I'm sure anyone complaining now gets a fulsome apology with something like "You're right to call this out. We didn't do something we should have done and it's understandable you feel we let you down". Blah blah blah.

Those born with and still having male genitalia should use mens toilets.

Nick Wallis seems to believe that there is a real person behind the reply. Let's see if the follow up question about Sex Matters being told that they were not needed gets a similar tone of reply.

They can't hear our words because our voices are too high pitched. Even when we email. Or make signs to hold up. Large signs.

Something to do with the frequency, mHz, or the direction the wind is blowing, I read somewhere.

That's why they don't respond to us.

Honest, guv.

I did answer the original question. I just didn’t treat it like the logic puzzle you are proposing.

Your framing ignores a pretty important variable: the type of space the person is using will have an impact on their behaviour. Unless you think a cis man in a single sex space would never behave differently in a mixed sex space with women?

But if he is dangerous to “female presenting people” in a male space, surely he would be just as dangerous to them in a mixed sex space? Why would he act differently in a mixed sex space? If men were so respectful of women, surely they wouldn’t rape, assault and murder them?

if you think TIM are women, then he would be around women if a TIM used the male toilet wouldn’t he? So therefore his behaviour around women would be the same in a male facility and a mixed sex facility wouldn’t it? Unless of course, you are saying TIM are not women?

Why would he be just as dangerous? I’ve pointed out that the space and the expectations surrounding it could change behaviour, but you’re ignoring that. So what makes you think that man would be just as dangerous in a mixed sex space? Would he be just as dangerous in a busy public park as he would in a quiet carpark?

I find it very tickling that TRAs think we want to stop any of them from speaking.

On the contrary. Bring it on! Let's hear those arguments! Louder for those at the back!

But it is TIM who say men would be dangerous to them in male spaces. Are they lying? If a man is going to be dangerous in male spaces, why would he not be dangerous in a mixed sex space? If men are safe to be around TIM in a mixed sex space, they are perfectly safe to be around TIM in a male only space aren’t they? What would make him behave better in a mixed sex space?

I put the reply to Bob Hamstead in an AI detector, it said it was like at least partly AI generated.

Nick Wallis got plenty of 'adulation' for the sterling work he did on the Post Office scandal. If that was all that motivated him he wouldn't have touched gender with a ten foot pole.

So are you saying a man would behave better if women were using the same facility? Why?

😁

I did answer the original question.

You didn't.

The question is:
But don’t TIM claim they are unsafe in male spaces? If toilets are unisex, the very males TIM are afraid of will be in those spaces with them. Won’t that make the TIM unsafe?

I think it’s a matter of expectations. A cis man using the mens probably isn’t expecting a female-presenting person to use the space and could respond negatively.

This is not an answer to the question. The question is not about how "cis" men might respond, but that trans-identified men claim they are unsafe in spaces where "cis" men are. Don’t TIM claim they are unsafe in male spaces?

I think it’s the same logic for why someone might find a mixed sex space at work safer than a public one.

This is not an answer to the question. Making all toilets uni/mixed-sex means that they will be spaces where "cis" men are. Where trans-identified men say they feel unsafe.
If toilets are unisex, the very males TIM are afraid of will be in those spaces with them. Won’t that make the TIM unsafe?

It's really not a puzzle unless you really need it to be:

TIMs are "unsafe in spaces where "cis" men are."

If we make everything mixed-sex, then...

TIMs will still be "unsafe in spaces where "cis" men are."

Won't they?

They should get Benjamin Buttergasp, Blosdom and RMW on for starters, versus, Maya, Helen Joyce and KJK. it would be EPIC!!

Men calling themselves women say they want to be in women's spaces because they want spaces away from other men.

So yes, mixed sex spaces will be a problem for them.

Amazingly, this is women's logic, too.

I think that poster is implying women will be used as human shields to keep the TIM safe and “protect the dolls”. Because men always listen to women 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Aw, with a cameo from Jenni Murray.

If women's spaces are genuinely women only then tras don't want women to have them. Nothing to do with being scared of other men. Just spite.

So what makes you think that man would be just as dangerous in a mixed sex space?

So, trans-identified men ARE men after all? Interesting.

And are you saying that trans- identified men ARE dangerous in female spaces?

But that, if we make the space mixed-sex, with OTHER MEN AROUND, miraculously, these trans-identified men are suddenly not dangerous?

Curiouser and curiouser.

So, trans-identified men are dangerous BECAUSE there are only women around.

I don't think this is really the argument you want to be making.

Partially, yes. People modify their behaviour based on who is present, the layout of the space, and the presence of witnesses. I was mostly talking about a well designed mixed sex space with plenty of footfall in a visible areas.

Would he be just as dangerous in a busy public park as he would in a quiet carpark?

Yes.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/news/man-jailed-after-terrifying-sex-attack-broad-daylight

Woman suffers serious sexual assault while walking dog near park
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvelr99xj0o

What are you talking about? I was referring to the hypothetical man that was dangerous to trans women that @Rollingpinofdoom wrote about

And now we're talking about toilets again, very clever... almost worked.

Back to the BBC and their "response."

Sorry @Rollingpinofdoom don't think we'll get a answer to your questions tonight. But we can keep trying.