terrifying, dangerous, abusive "advice" on r/transgenderuk

[mardirousse]

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1vo4oqz/hypothetical_situation/.

Dad wants to prevent his effeminate 15 year old boy from developing an adam's apple or deep voice, so "hypothetically" asks if he could back and forth to France for puberty blockers.

gets loads of "support", told he's a wonderful father, advised to put the lad on diy estrogen instead as it's more appropriate "at that age" (15!).

Surely platforms can't allow this, legally! it's so dangerous. I'm really upset. His poor little lad.

He was the Wrong Kind of Trans, unfortunately not able to be of the joining of the sacred caste. Let us try move on from this unfortunate incident?

But he ISN'T a girl and never CAN be a girl or later, a woman.

This father's job here is to explain that to his son, NOT to source illegal medication for him.

You understand it's illegal for a reason, right? Because its dangerous and it doesn't help.

Everything else you said is irrelevant because HUMANS CAN'T CHANGE SEX!
It's cruel to lie to kids and say they can.

"Spoiler alert - virtually every homophobe that exists in the UK is also massively transphobic. Virtually no parent who has a problem with a gay son would prefer to have a trans daughter."

So, I've guess you have interviewed all the homophobes in the UK then.

And this is not true either, as we've seen many cases where homophobic parents would prefer a trans child over a gay one because guess what, trans ideology is extremely regressive and preaches turning a boy into a girl if he's effeminate. Trans ideology is the most regressive thing ever and belongs with conservatives. Have a gender non-conforming or gay child? Trans them then if you don't like it.

I have experience in the clinical world. It has been difficult to engage with the child-transition topic simply because of the transparent lack of medical ethics.

Clinically- transitioning is cosmetic medicine for children. In reality it is disrupting/removal/augmentation of healthy tissue in favour of a mental distortion. The ethics around this is adults with fluctuating levels of cognitive function and therefore consent is ethically dubious, but in children and young mentally unwell adults it borders on criminality.

Jackie Green was given puberty blockers which means he did not mature properly including mentally and emotionally. Add to that the fact that he's physically altered beyond repair now and you can see how he's stuck with the decision his mother took for him when he was too young to object to or even understand what was happening.
What he is, is an emotionally and mentally arrested man. Not a woman of any kind.

If sex and gender are different things, then why is this father trying to change the sex of his "transgender" child then? Why doesn't he just encourage his son to dress how he wants and express himself how he wants, rather than try to block the natural development of his son's sex characteristics?

And this is not true either, as we've seen many cases where homophobic parents would prefer a trans child over a gay one because guess what, trans ideology is extremely regressive and preaches turning a boy into a girl if he's effeminate.

Just like all those wonderfully affirming trans allies in Iran.

Jackie Green continues to be a trans person. This is an example of someone for whom the research was spot on - persistent GD is more likely to persist permanently, as it has for her.

Well we will never know, will we? He could have seen resolution of any dysphoria if he’d been allowed to go through puberty like 80+% of cross sex identifying boys used to do before that treatment option was removed with puberty blockers for boys like him.

Of course he still “lives as a trans person”. His testicles were removed on his 16th birthday and his entire identity has been tied to his mother’s public campaign to justify what she did to him. It’s not like there’s an alternative is there?

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

It was a review of existing studies and it actually showed that they recover significantly, but generally do not catch up with matched peers (for once, girls fair better - more girls than boys catch up, due to the effects of testosterone. Boys tended to end up with lumbar spine density generally lower)

Lets be accurate here rather than hand wave away lower average bone density.

so many young people in wheelchairs and on crutches/walkers at PRIDE events.

This absolutely cannot be the case. There is simply no way the puberty blocker trial would be going ahead if large numbers of young people at Pride events were in wheelchairs and on crutches due to puberty blockers. The trial is unethical but it isn't THAT unethical!

Please point to your evidence if I'm wrong about that.

This absolutely cannot be the case. There is simply no way the puberty blocker trial would be going ahead if large numbers of young people at Pride events were in wheelchairs and on crutches due to puberty blockers. The trial is unethical but it isn't THAT unethical!

This is a non sequitur. The accuracy or not of people being on crutches or in wheelchairs at Pride would have absolutely zero impact on the decision to start the Pathways trial.

Those deciding to start the Pathways trial are not remotely interested in looking at actual evidence in real adult clinics of long term outcomes like osteoporosis to help them determine whether Pathways will go ahead.

They have been told that this is likely to be quantifiable problem if they just bothered to look at the adult clinic data and they don’t care.

So the presence or absence of people in wheelchairs at Pride is something that wouldn’t even cause them to raise an eyebrow, let alone question the veracity of such a claim.

What on earth is wrong with using “females” to mean “female humans”?

Is this more language policing? Do we now have to pretend there is no male and female?

TPA knows full well that posters use female as otherwise someone who thinks they are ‘very smart’ will say “well transwomen are women” if ‘woman’ is used.

Anecdote is exactly that, one person’s experience.

You asked me this previously and I didn't answer.

About the studies. I can't find your post where you linked to studies. I have only seen the SEGM referenced German one because another poster reposted it. As I say that does not tell us anything about rates of desistance, detransition or cessation of treatment, much less the reasons underpinning those rates.

Can you point me to the post where you posted other studies, or repost them, whichever is easiest?

I have only seen the SEGM referenced German one because another poster reposted it.

A reference in German is fine. I'm happy to translate.

Nah, you lost me with 'it's dangerous and it doesn't help'.

The strongest charge that can be levelled about puberty blockers is that their benefits are unproven.

If you are going to claim some established evidence that they don't work then you're showing you don't really know what you're talking about.

No, I accessed the study fine. It just doesn't show what the poster thinks it showed.

She then asked why I didn't respond to any of the other studies she posted and I was explaining that I've not seen those posts.

Possibly also because it is sometimes what older men say instead of "women". I used to dislike "females" because of that, it sounds sexist.

But now there are attempts to steal our language from us and take the words we use to describe ourselves as a sex, I find myself not minding "females" as much because - as others have said - it is clearer.

Large numbers of young people on mobility benefits and in NHS care for an inability to walk unaided due to having taken puberty blockers would not go unnoticed.

The claim that they exist is ridiculous.

Was that just a study of puberty blockers @FlatCatYellowMat ? What happens if girls take puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones, do you know?

if you knew anything about puberty blockers in the trans population you’d know that the majority of children who took them went on to cross sex hormones which ultimately causes infertility. And lots of other awful side effects. Read this.https://www.endocrinology.org/endocrinologist/131-spring19/hot-topics/dangers-in-treatment-of-child-and-adolescent-gender-dysphoria/

Here’s a quote from JK Rowling on X five hours ago.
I couldn’t put it better myself:

“The more nonsensical and obviously absurd a belief is, the more people who hold it (or pretend to) will resist recanting. The potential for humiliation rises in direct proportion to the ridiculousness of what they've publicly swallowed. They see no choice but to double down.”

So they are pretending? Gosh.

No problem ConveyancingHelll
The link was contained in this post:
MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 12:28

And here is the link, which as you will see quotes a number of sources:
Gender-related distress will alleviate for around 80% of pre-teen children once they become teenagers - Stats for Gender