terrifying, dangerous, abusive "advice" on r/transgenderuk

[mardirousse]

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1vo4oqz/hypothetical_situation/.

Dad wants to prevent his effeminate 15 year old boy from developing an adam's apple or deep voice, so "hypothetically" asks if he could back and forth to France for puberty blockers.

gets loads of "support", told he's a wonderful father, advised to put the lad on diy estrogen instead as it's more appropriate "at that age" (15!).

Surely platforms can't allow this, legally! it's so dangerous. I'm really upset. His poor little lad.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

Females NEED estrogen for bone health.

I do not know what study you are referencing but they absolutely DO affect bone density, hence so many young people in wheelchairs and on crutches/walkers at PRIDE events.

Wanting adults to have crumbling bones is not being 'decent'.

Cheers for that. Try going outside occasionally, educating yourself about difference and perhaps get a more up-to-date medical dictionary. Your life may improve when not fixating on things you don't understand.

'Females' huh.

Bye creep.

None of that's true. Trans people are individuals who know their own minds.

Any theory as to why you're always on here being furious about them? It's profoundly odd.

What's profoundly odd is you continuing to post when it clearly upsets you that the majority of this forum is concerned with women's rights.

Which also includes those of your child.

Shed, I assume, used that word as some men have co-opted 'women'.

But you know that.

Any theory as to why we're on here being furious about fetishistic men? Hmm, it's a mystery.

It's a little confusing as to why someone who has let down their female child feels a good way to feel better about that is to harangue other women. It's not our fault.

Somebody took away the word ‘women’ for use in exactly this situation.

Some of them are lost, like this bloke https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1vooecd/dilating_question/

He really needs some help and the 'community' isn't showing much support.

I feel very sorry for him, sold a lie and abandoned for not showing enough euphoria. I hope he gets the help he needs. And surely there's medical aftercare, they can't just abandon him too?

Being non-binary with a trans child, and knowing many trans people (plus supporting young trans people whose parents have rejected them) isn't anecdotal evidence.

I'm speaking from experience.

Trans children do not need saving from loving parents, but from abusive ones who refuse them support, chuck them out and subject them to conversion therapy.

Children know their own minds. Puberty is not a cure for dysphoria if you are truly trans, and forcing trans children through it has irreversible effects.

And I do think referring to women as 'females' and posting obsessively all day about a minority is aberrant, yes. As if going after trans people and inventing weird origin stories about them will solve cis male violence or help anyone.

There're so many children who are genuinely being abused. When I see people (esp those I know to be men) repeatedly posting here about trans kids, claiming supportive parents are child abusers and making comments about their bodies, I think that's horribly creepy. A huge red flag.

This is an incredibly sad read and I feel for you and your child facing so much.

But

You can never go back and try a different path in a Sliding Doors type way.

Adults who assert they are happier than they would have been had they not had their puberty blocked cannot know this with certainty.

And to state that any female 'trans' child should have their puberty blocked to prevent any breast development at all means you are advocating blockers from ks2 age. It is very hard to apply Gillick and Fraser to 8/9/10 year olds.

Young people who are so distressed and unhappy by early teens that they self harm and experience suicidal ideation are very mentally unwell. That degree of mental illness would not be alleviated by being given puberty blockers and hormones. Mental health care needs to be accessed as the priority. Mental health treatment has never been to give puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

Removing healthy breast tissue to treat mental ill health makes no sense. Creating potentially serious health conditions and life long risks such as lymphodaema to alleviate suicidal ideation makes no sense.

And if for a female experiencing gender dysphoria the main alleviating plan is to have a mastectomy, why is it that it is not to have a Penis (which they can't) and why is the experience for males experiencing gender dysphoria so different in that many more wish to develop beasts rather than lose their penis?

Why is the risk of suicide believed to be so so so high in this cohort? Why is the whole focus on 'saving lives' when the main issues are not physical.

Children who receive horrendously bleak diagnoses such as terminal malignancy or progressive degenerative conditions aren't immediately and constantly flagged as at risk of suicide. Why is that? Children who are at risk of dying from other mental health conditions such as anorexia or depression aren't treated in an 'affirming' way - why is that?

All of these questions need to be discussed and debated.

That you frame anyone wanting to discuss or debate as 'dismissing experiences' is sad but untrue.

We can read your first hand account and experience and feel huge sympathy for your pain, and still want to thrash out the issues and consider the wider impacts of it all.

I think it is odd to be blaming others for your child wanting unnecessary elective surgery.

That is potentially creepy.

I've known 6 year olds having periods due to precocious puberty not having puberty blockers because the discussion between a consultant paediatric endocrinologist and their parents concluded that the significant risks of the blockers outweighed the benefits. And that was for children who actually had something physically wrong with them.

Yes, girls and women. Females.

I'm speaking as an adult human female who has the experience of osteoporosis, it is a crippling disease that I would not wish on anyone. Let alone someone in their early 20s.

This is simply a deflection from actually posting a link to the "study last week"

I think it's revealing that @TransParentlyAnnoyed persistently posts on here. We actually engage and know what we're talking about, even if he doesn't like what we say, he comes back again and again for more, because it's better than the ignorance, naivety and narcissism of 'trans' forums like reddit.

Interesting bookends: being non-binary - huge red flag.

the fact you’re on here all the time ranting suggests to me that you have some serious doubts about what you’ve colluded in…

TPA
Being non-binary with a trans child, and knowing many trans people (plus supporting young trans people whose parents have rejected them) isn't anecdotal evidence.
Yes it is precisely that, in fact it's a good illustration of a dictionary definition of 'anecdotal evidence' i.e. evidence based on personal experience rather than scientific research.

I'm speaking from experience.
So am I.
So are lots of other posters on here. Lived experience of issues involving sex and gender, hence the title of the board Feminism: Sex and gender discussions.

Why do you think your anecdotal experiences are more important than my anecdotal experiences, or other posters'?

It seems a fairly recent development

what makes a person truly. genuinely trans?

Or indeed truly genuinely non binary?

I got a bit sidetracked on that Reddit link and ended up reading a few other posts on that board. One was someone saying “surely this person isn’t actually trans?” And others agreeing that of course the bearded man in the photo convicted of CSA couldn’t actually be trans. Says who?