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Why do some people view JK Rowling as transphobic?

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Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:33

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

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Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 22:46

Because she's a powerful woman who doesn't say "yes" to MRA demands.

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 22:46

Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:33

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

'In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”
Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

J.K. Rowling's History Of Transphobia - IN Magazine

The world is going through a lot right now. With a global pandemic still in full swing and Black Lives Matter protests happening all over the world every day, J.K. Rowling thought it would be a good time to remind everyone that she’s still transphobic....

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

Seethlaw · Yesterday 23:01

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 22:46

'In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”
Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

Precisely the lies I was fed, and which came apart when I read the essay itself.

PinkCactusPink · Yesterday 23:01

Because some people are idiots.

helderste · Yesterday 23:04

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 22:46

'In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”
Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

Thank you, @JellySaurus, for reminding us of the Rules.

I’ve spotted 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 11, and 14 in this excerpt, so I’m not going to open the link. Also, the writing’s proper shite.

WizardCat · Yesterday 23:05

I still find it incredible that people read that essay and thought "Wow, what a transphobic bigot"

icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 23:07

Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:33

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from?

Their TikTok feed. The 'brightest minds' in the country (ie the wacky world of academia). Or the 'glitterati'.

It's a hive mind of rank stupidity.

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:15

helderste · Yesterday 23:04

Thank you, @JellySaurus, for reminding us of the Rules.

I’ve spotted 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 11, and 14 in this excerpt, so I’m not going to open the link. Also, the writing’s proper shite.

Mmmm, I suppose the cognitive dissonance of purporting to be against harmful stereotypes but perpetuating them at the same time was too much to bear?

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 23:25

I have been dying to say this for ages, even thought of doing a thread.

What the TRA monitors don’t realise is we are all strategically coordinated, by the inner coven.

FWR is a front, but not the only one. All our various you tube channels are also coordinated. We pump out our propaganda , via sex matters, WRN, and other channels, (currently under the Reddit radar).

We recruit the odd male here and there to take a hit. We also have a take a hit rota and coordinate whose turn it is.

Posie is a great fibber she pretends to have nothing to do with us, she is in the inner coven, a bit shouty and disagreeable but makes a great foil, we tried to get her of the hit list but she was having none of it.

The legal challenges are also coordinated. We know what is coming and when.

For women Scotland women are one of our wings of fight.

We had a vote at our secret conference to refuse funding from the American Christian far right, and JKR got her cheque book out.

It’s strategic and therefore effective.

So the TRA’s run around on X or dash around to our various foils. Or run up to let women speak to make a fuss in the public space, as ordinary people walk by wondering what the fuck.

Or white n wine on their own channel, Reddit

Send their money to a complete twat who does more harm than good for their “cause”

Thats the best they can do

Or the show up at tribunals and scare the willies out of the judges, (part of our plan)

We saved JKR for later, when society was ready. (Glinner as a foil took the heat off)

Our plan is working.

Our goal is clear, our tactics are planned, and our recruitment is successful.

We have a website on the dark internet that can never be found.

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helderste · Yesterday 23:31

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:15

Mmmm, I suppose the cognitive dissonance of purporting to be against harmful stereotypes but perpetuating them at the same time was too much to bear?

Mmmm, do you? I mean, you’d know, being a men’s rights activist purporting to be a progressive person.

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:36

helderste · Yesterday 23:31

Mmmm, do you? I mean, you’d know, being a men’s rights activist purporting to be a progressive person.

Pretending trans men don't exist isn't exactly let women speak. But you do you.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 23:36

Tzika · Yesterday 21:31

In itself no, but when you have a megaphone pointed at 14million people everything you say has a disproportionate impact. Honestly if eugenics isn’t a dealbreaker for her what is?

Anyone who champions an ideology that promotes the sterilisation of kids who have mental health problems and/or are autistic, traumatised or gay needs to sit the fuck down before they talk about eugenics.
Glass houses and all that.

helderste · Yesterday 23:38

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:36

Pretending trans men don't exist isn't exactly let women speak. But you do you.

Please quote me saying trans men don’t exist, thanks.

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:41

helderste · Yesterday 23:38

Please quote me saying trans men don’t exist, thanks.

You implied that supporting trans people was an MRA pursuit as if its only about benefiting trans women. Now see if you can join the dots but I won't hold my breath.

helderste · Yesterday 23:43

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:41

You implied that supporting trans people was an MRA pursuit as if its only about benefiting trans women. Now see if you can join the dots but I won't hold my breath.

No, I said you’re an mra. You’ve just made the rest up.

Mapletree1985 · Today 00:51

They identify her as transphobic. Objective truth is irrelevant. They need a hate figure they can rally around hating and she's perfect: a rich, white older woman who is happy and kind.

MyAmpleSheep · Today 01:23

BirdLandedonmyHead · Yesterday 22:08

Apparently the eugenics ckaim is linked to her Galbraith pen name.

Does anyone imagine for one second that that if JKR was in favour of something she’d have any hesitation in saying so loudly and clearly?

No, didn’t think so.

Northernlightsss · Today 01:42

helderste · Yesterday 23:43

No, I said you’re an mra. You’ve just made the rest up.

If anyone is MRA its the sex realist movement in their snuggling upto & enabling the far right's exploitation of this issue as a cudgel to gain power. SRM has proven by their allegiance to the far right that they would happily burn down everything feminists have worked for all for their sick demented obsession with a group that barely exists.

So don't you dare act as if you're an authority on leftist purity given you clearly don't even know that being anti-transgender opposes the core principles of the civil rights movement in seeking to deny equal protection, bodily autonomy and freedom from discrimination to a marginalised groups.

Apollo441 · Today 01:56

Northernlightsss · Today 01:42

If anyone is MRA its the sex realist movement in their snuggling upto & enabling the far right's exploitation of this issue as a cudgel to gain power. SRM has proven by their allegiance to the far right that they would happily burn down everything feminists have worked for all for their sick demented obsession with a group that barely exists.

So don't you dare act as if you're an authority on leftist purity given you clearly don't even know that being anti-transgender opposes the core principles of the civil rights movement in seeking to deny equal protection, bodily autonomy and freedom from discrimination to a marginalised groups.

Oh fuck off with the forced teaming. Just stay out of women's changing rooms, sports, domestic violence and rape shelters, women's lists and we will be golden. It's that simple mate.

TigTails · Today 02:47

Because she stands up for what is right and is so rich she straight up can’t be bullied into backing down.

sashh · Today 03:10

Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:47

Is that offensive? Is it offensive to take the views of traumatised women into account? Seriously?

Yes. In TRA world it is.

She posted about the men who tried to access the service, this has been turned in to,"she mocked rape victims".

Idontknowmuch · Today 03:30

Tzika · Yesterday 21:03

Because she supports KJK who has said some of the most repugnant garbage I’ve ever seen.

What do you think she meant by that statement? Genuinely curious.

Idontknowmuch · Today 03:38

Tzika · Yesterday 21:31

In itself no, but when you have a megaphone pointed at 14million people everything you say has a disproportionate impact. Honestly if eugenics isn’t a dealbreaker for her what is?

Eugenics?

dinodart · Today 04:40

When JKR first wrote that essay, twitter was still owned by people who pushed this ideology and banned gender critical tweets and even "misgendering". For a few days (idk how long it's been forever), they had as the top story on the search page, an article that twisted around what JKR said, explaining that everything she said was secretly transphobic. I cannot recall what article it was or who wrote it, but that was the prevailing winds at the time, the primordial soup of creation for the idea of JKR the evil TERF.

Also, these people believe it's transphobic to even call a trans identified man as a man, like the bar for "transphobia" is not based in reality or logic. You cannot rationalize this ideology or logic it out. It's not built on those things.

BackToLurk · Today 05:35

Northernlightsss · Yesterday 23:36

Pretending trans men don't exist isn't exactly let women speak. But you do you.

Mmmm. I suppose we should welcome your roundabout acknowledgment that transmen are women (and by extension transwomen are men). Now remind us why JKR is wrong for wanting those men (transwomen) excluded from women’s single-sex spaces.