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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do some people view JK Rowling as transphobic?

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Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:33

Where do people get the idea that JK Rowling is transphobic from? Where? I’m having this argument with an acquaintance who tells me she’s the most transphobic person on earth but cannot point to one single thing that she’s done or said that’s transphobic. Is this the widest held totally bullshit view ever?

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Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 21:26

Theeyeballsinthesky · Yesterday 21:07

Goodness how long do we give it until the monitors send out the batshit signal and the Redditor's appear with their usual fact free frothing (I do like to get a frothing in early) about JKR?

The shuttlebus from Reddit is currently boarding but a few scouts have been sent on ahead to start with the soundbites.

JellySaurus · Yesterday 21:27

Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 20:41

There’s absolutely no back up to their views though. It’s totally illogical. I thought the essay she wrote was quite generous. ‘Dress how never you want to dress’ etc (personally I think the way trans women parody women by dressing as them is quite offensive). It’s just a scientific fact that people can’t change sex. Sad but true. Is pointing out facts that they don’t want to hear so terrible?

Yup. TIM don’t want to be reminded that they are men and have no right to appropriate or invade women’s spaces.

JKR breaks so many of the Rules of Misogyny - and gets away with it. So she must be punished by cancellation and losing income! Ha ha ha. Not going to happen, no matter how much the ideologues try to persuade others that JKR is nasty, bad, Not Kind.

The Rules of Misogyny

  1. Women are responsible for what men do.
  2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
  3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
  4. Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.
  5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
  6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.
  7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
  8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
  9. Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.
  10. The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad.
  11. Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.
  12. Whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more.
  13. Women are not oppressed! Rape and catcalling and objectification are all compliments, not oppression.
  14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.
HoppityBun · Yesterday 21:28

I was told by a gay man that she’s transphobic. I asked what exactly she’s said that is transphobic and he said “oh, allegedly, allegedly”.

cherryicecreamisnice · Yesterday 21:30

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Tzika · Yesterday 21:31

In itself no, but when you have a megaphone pointed at 14million people everything you say has a disproportionate impact. Honestly if eugenics isn’t a dealbreaker for her what is?

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 21:32

I had that JKR is transphobic from my DIL a few years ago.

She was confusing LGB with the T (her brother is a gay man) and she has a few gay male friends.

I said show me one transphobic statement, she could not come up with one.

She asked her brother and gay male friends who set her straight on the matter.

Sometimes people believe things, but never openly talk about them until the subject comes up with a TERF like me.

In the las few days i challenged an acquaintance on facebook, whose posts about pride were hitting my feed.

She said JKR is worse than Tommy Robinson.

I gave her a a brief history of JKR life with an abuser and what motivates JKR to come to women’s rights.

Bieras place etc. Have not heard from her since.

JellySaurus · Yesterday 21:35

Transgenderists have claimed that Gender Critical Feminism is a cult.

Cults control information about themselves and about the wider world. Cults require their members to only get information from the cult. Reading outside approved lists is banned, particularly reading anything that contradicts the cult view. Members are encouraged to cut off any family members who do not support the cult. Ditto friends. Cult members are taught that anything that disagrees with the cult threatens it, and that anything that threatens the cult, threatens them, personally. They are taught that to investigate such threats sullies and harms them. They are punished for curiosity about alternative views.

Which perspective does this fit better?

Heggettypeg · Yesterday 21:35

Three boos for Pooh
For who?
For Pooh.
....
Tell me, somebody,
What did he do?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Yesterday 21:36

I think it starred with her ridiculing the "people who menstruate" tag and pondering what those people used to be called. It upset a lot of the delicate non menstruating flowers out there.

The funniest thing about this accusation is that India Willoughby reported her to the police for misgendering her and being transphobic, they investigated and still couldn't pin anything on her!

6ate9 · Yesterday 21:40

Some people don’t like the fact that she thinks biological sex is a matter of truth rather than hate.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · Yesterday 21:45

Tzika · Yesterday 21:31

In itself no, but when you have a megaphone pointed at 14million people everything you say has a disproportionate impact. Honestly if eugenics isn’t a dealbreaker for her what is?

??

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 21:46

I think actually that JKR could say anything within the parameters of the law, and the police would not dare touch her.

The power that she holds it threefold

Her clever words (in the art of writing)

Her true beliefs and experiences and honesty.

Her vast wealth that she uses in a positive way.

I cannot recall in history such a female person, and love her for (finally) stepping up to the plate with knobs on.

SidewaysOtter · Yesterday 21:51

Heggettypeg · Yesterday 21:17

Do you have proof that JK. Rowling supports that particular statement?

It is perfectly possible to agree with some things that a person says, and disagree with other things that they say.

Quite.

I've met KJK several times in passing, she's always seemed a decent sort to me. I absolutely take off my hat to her for standing up for women's rights and particularly for providing a space for ordinary women to meet and speak, even in the Dark Times when Wrong Views could get you fired, arrested and/or cancelled. Even when she had to have two security guards standing next to her and a strong police presence just to show up in public. That woman has got ovaries of steel.

Do I agree with everything she says? No. Do I need to? Also, no. I have plenty of friends, acquaintances etc with whom I disagree on various matters most vehemently, but part of being a grown up is hearing an opinion with which you don't agree and debating respectfully or agreeing to disagree. I have no time for purity spirals; they're the preserve of idiots.

People think it's some kind of gotcha for posting selected quotes - if I'd been doxxed, harassed, arrested, threatened, had liquid thrown in my face and feared for my life just for speaking in public AND had my children targeted, I'd probably be as hard line as she is too. All power to her elbow I say.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 21:56

Because they’re thick.

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 22:00

Tzika · Yesterday 21:31

In itself no, but when you have a megaphone pointed at 14million people everything you say has a disproportionate impact. Honestly if eugenics isn’t a dealbreaker for her what is?

Saying something to 14 million people doesn’t make it more or less transphobic than saying it to one person.

where do you get the idea that JKR is into eugenics?

BirdLandedonmyHead · Yesterday 22:08

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 22:00

Saying something to 14 million people doesn’t make it more or less transphobic than saying it to one person.

where do you get the idea that JKR is into eugenics?

Apparently the eugenics ckaim is linked to her Galbraith pen name.

SidewaysOtter · Yesterday 22:13

BirdLandedonmyHead · Yesterday 22:08

Apparently the eugenics ckaim is linked to her Galbraith pen name.

According to a Graun article,

  • Robert: One of her favorite men's names, and a tribute to her personal hero, Robert F. Kennedy.
  • Galbraith: A name she dreamed up for herself as a child ("Ella Galbraith")

But for the terminally shit-witted, Rowling could state that the sky is blue and they'd find some way to say that was transphobic/fascist/whatever Hmm

Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 22:16

BirdLandedonmyHead · Yesterday 22:08

Apparently the eugenics ckaim is linked to her Galbraith pen name.

Ah, yes, Robert Galbraith Heath who is credited on all his academic publications as Heath, R.G.

In a list of truly bizarre claims against JKR, the truly tenuous nature of that oft repeated claim takes the biscuit.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 22:16

I thought the eugenics claim was to do with her mentioning the history of trans care (Money et al) aand that they were linked to eugenics which was turned on its head.

Stinkybooks · Yesterday 22:22

Tzika · Yesterday 21:03

Because she supports KJK who has said some of the most repugnant garbage I’ve ever seen.

Do you have more examples Tzika?
I think she is right regarding your first example - women who identify as men shouldnt be having children. They've decided their body is abhorrent, they want to be men - being pregnant, giving birth and the initial months of raising a baby is the No 1 gender affirming experience a woman can have. If they SO desparately want to be "men" they shouldnt even think of having children.
And its 100% not fair to bring children into that environment anyway - brainwashing a child from birth into the cult. Awful idea.

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 22:24

Stinkybooks · Yesterday 22:22

Do you have more examples Tzika?
I think she is right regarding your first example - women who identify as men shouldnt be having children. They've decided their body is abhorrent, they want to be men - being pregnant, giving birth and the initial months of raising a baby is the No 1 gender affirming experience a woman can have. If they SO desparately want to be "men" they shouldnt even think of having children.
And its 100% not fair to bring children into that environment anyway - brainwashing a child from birth into the cult. Awful idea.

“She” being Posy Parker.

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:28

The barrel scraping on this thread is mind blowing 😭

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 22:28

By 'supports Posy Parker' do you actually mean 'liked a tweet'?

🫠

Stinkybooks · Yesterday 22:29

@Hedgehogforshort yes sorry I should have clarified.

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 22:40

I have asked two different ppl who I know dislike JKR what she has done wrong and I got:
"Why would you ruin your reputation by saying horrible stuff online? She's tarnished her reputation for so many ppl"
And
"Ppl don't change sex for fun, it is hateful to discriminate against them"
Neither of which answered the question really.