Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

1000 replies

user08101988 · 27/07/2026 12:32

Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
18
TheWayOfTheWorld · 27/07/2026 15:49

Nope

MyMilchick · 27/07/2026 15:49

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:45

Ok. What if they do have a female brain or even genetic effects that haven't been discovered. Or could be due to hormone problems in the womb. They could have a soul that was always female until now

Edited

A soul? that's more of a religious thing isn't it? A -you have to have "faith" to believe it exists- type thing?

Wishesandhorses · 27/07/2026 15:49

Datun · 27/07/2026 15:38

A man that was AFAB but is transmasc will now have to use the women’s bathroom. Is that a good thing?

The Supreme Court covered this. If a woman identifying as a man is indistinguishable from a man and makes the other women uncomfortable, then she needs to find a gender neutral toilet.

Of course, in sport, rape refuges and prisons, her sex absolutely determines where she goes.

This. ^^

Why would these women, and men with interesting souls, not have additional and inclusion options anyway via the additional facilities the judgment recommended and the guidelines are making clear should be expected?

RareGoalsVerge · 27/07/2026 15:49

EagerLemonWasp · 27/07/2026 15:16

I don’t disagree that there are conversations rhat need to be had. Both sides need to stop being so uncompromising. However, rhis new law is absolutely terrible. A man that was AFAB but is transmasc will now have to use the women’s bathroom. Is that a good thing? Absolutely not. What’s stopping a cisgendered male from pretending to be trans to use the women’s bathroom? Because it’s not really trans people you should worry about. It’s the people who are using this to break the law and drag transgender people under the bus whilst doing it.

There is no new law.

In April 2025 the Supreme Court gave a ruling to clarify what the law already is and has been since 2010. It created no new law, just confirmed the existing law.

A month or so ago the new EHRC Guidance which helps businesses and services to work out how to operate under the existing law came out. It created no new law, just explains the existing law.

There has been a lot of lies and misinformation about the law from Stonewall and other believers in TransMagic over the last decade or so. Their fantasies did not make laws to be what they wanted them to be.

murasaki · 27/07/2026 15:49

Souls is the funniest thing I've read all day. Oh dear.

AgnesMcDoo · 27/07/2026 15:51

Oh no they are not

And no they shouldn't.

HTH

spannasaurus · 27/07/2026 15:51

EleanorMc67 · 27/07/2026 14:32

I think "trans woman" is a descriptor in itself - they wish to move from living their life as a man to living as a woman.

As to what that entails, yes I think that requires more than wearing lipstick (if that's your inference?). And that's where long-term psychological assessment, hormonal & surgical treatment, living for a defined period of years as the opposite sex etc before full transitioning, come into play.

If someone born male proceeds to, for instance, take hormones/have breast implants, but chooses to retain their lower genitalia permanently, then that's absolutely fine. But strictly speaking I think they are choosing to be what equates outwardly as hermaphrodite, not a trans woman.

A man can get a gender recognition certificate which allows him to get his birth certificate reissued saying female without having any surgery or taking any hormones.

A person can have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment without having any surgery or taking any hormones

Do you think a man who hasn't had surgery or taken any hormones but has a gender recognition certicate is a transwoman?

helderste · 27/07/2026 15:51

Laila Moran is back. This really is a very retro thread.

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

Brickiscool · 27/07/2026 15:47

You can scan all the brains you want, but it doesn't change the XY chromosomes.

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

murasaki · 27/07/2026 15:52

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

I do. What a load of hokum.

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:52

MyMilchick · 27/07/2026 15:49

A soul? that's more of a religious thing isn't it? A -you have to have "faith" to believe it exists- type thing?

No its something you can feel in your heart

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 27/07/2026 15:52

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:45

Ok. What if they do have a female brain or even genetic effects that haven't been discovered. Or could be due to hormone problems in the womb. They could have a soul that was always female until now

Edited

How does one sex a soul?

TheKeatingFive · 27/07/2026 15:53

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:45

Ok. What if they do have a female brain or even genetic effects that haven't been discovered. Or could be due to hormone problems in the womb. They could have a soul that was always female until now

Edited

All of those things are completely unverified (or unverifiable).

So why on earth would we construct law around them?

MyMilchick · 27/07/2026 15:53

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

A brain is an actual organ of the body, a "soul" is some invisible essence promoted by religions, how on Earth are you comparing the two?

IbnBattutu · 27/07/2026 15:53

Argh souls!

TheKeatingFive · 27/07/2026 15:54

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:52

No its something you can feel in your heart

Feelings can't be basis for law though, can they?

hairbearbunches · 27/07/2026 15:54

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:52

No its something you can feel in your heart

That's indigestion!

FilmsandBooks · 27/07/2026 15:54

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

In that case, you should be fully on board with us because those brain scans show that transwomen are comfortably in the male range.

MyMilchick · 27/07/2026 15:54

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:52

No its something you can feel in your heart

😂

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 27/07/2026 15:54

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

All of my being is important to me, I am not divided into a collection of parts.

Magpiecomplex · 27/07/2026 15:54

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 27/07/2026 15:52

How does one sex a soul?

Ooh, Miss, Miss, I know this one! You got to look at their auras, right? Pink and frilly is a girl soul, blue and macho is a boy soul.

FilmsandBooks · 27/07/2026 15:54

TheKeatingFive · 27/07/2026 15:54

Feelings can't be basis for law though, can they?

Exactly. I’m only 38 but I feel much older. Should I be able to draw my state pension?

Wishesandhorses · 27/07/2026 15:55

EleanorMc67 · 27/07/2026 15:24

We are all standing on other women's shoulders.

It would be good not to go trampling any then.

Seriously.

Women here want accessible spaces for everyone.

Transactivists want men to have everything. The women and gay people that excludes and harms by leaving them without any facilities or public access? Whatever, they're subhuman transphobic scum.

Which to you seems the kinder, more decent approach?

TheKeatingFive · 27/07/2026 15:55

Amiiee · 27/07/2026 15:51

The brain is the most important part of the body. I don't think we should dismiss the concept of a soul as well

I'm not sure all would agree, but I see what you mean.

These men do not have 'female' brains though. There is no such thing.

helderste · 27/07/2026 15:55

hairbearbunches · 27/07/2026 15:54

That's indigestion!

Oh my god 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.