Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

Why do men have to insert themselves in every space? What are they afraid of?

This was my reading too OP. That relatively poor quality paper with tiny study groups says, twice, that the study groups (TW) brains were closest to cis-men brains. All being men n all.

You really should stop quoting this paper. Not only does it not support your argument, it actively contradicts and undermines it 🤷‍♀️

Hi OP. Yes and yes, I started on mumsnet on the TTC threads during my 2 week waits however as a feminist I have soon learned to avoid the "feminism" forum as its mostly dedicated to transphobia. I also suspect the "feminism" forum is chock full of transphobic misogynistic men like "Glinner" who have a lot of fear to spread to stay relevant, and are even welcomed, which is a bit ironic if we're talking about safe female only spaces. 😬

There are still areas of this forum that give out good parenting/relationship advice etc that are mostly frequented by women, many who don't really GAF about the anti trans shit. But for your own sanity I wouldn't look for support or open mindedness in this section of the platform in the same way I wouldn't try asking about feminism in a 4chan manosphere/red pill forum. Xx Take care. Xx

Women talking where they can't hear them.

I don’t disagree that there are conversations rhat need to be had. Both sides need to stop being so uncompromising. However, rhis new law is absolutely terrible. A man that was AFAB but is transmasc will now have to use the women’s bathroom. Is that a good thing? Absolutely not. What’s stopping a cisgendered male from pretending to be trans to use the women’s bathroom? Because it’s not really trans people you should worry about. It’s the people who are using this to break the law and drag transgender people under the bus whilst doing it.

Women have single sex spaces for their safety, privacy and dignity.

What justification could there be for letting ANY man access them for ANY reason?

I also suspect the "feminism" forum is chock full of transphobic misogynistic men

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Tell me you don't know who posts here without telling me you have no idea who posts here!

They did debate the nuances of it, you can watch that debate online. The Scottish government and Amnesty International gave it a good go, but ultimately weren’t convincing. So the Supreme Court ruled that sex in the Equality Act has always referred to biological sex. Sounds like you agree? It’s up to trans rights activists and their allies, like you, to advocate for unisex spaces. They don’t seem to want them though. It seems to me that your considerate trans identified male friends who only use “wherever they are permitted”, which now categorically does not include female only spaces, we agree, are the anomalies here, not Sandie Peggie.

They are called women, much like women who were assigned female at birth are cisgender women

No such thing as cisgender women. There are just women. Cisgender is a term manufactured by transwomen and those captured by trans ideology to make women a subset of their own sex. It means nothing to the vast majority.
We can tell who is a woman and who is not. Just 'women' will do nicely.

Ah I see we've reached the TM gotcha stage

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As regards that neuro study.

all of the trans women sit within the distribution seen in men.

Well no. It's men in general - no matter how they identify.

All men need to stay out of women's spaces. They need to commit to doing that so that trust can be rebuilt. They created this problem, they now need to fix it.

Look, I'm not PC so forgive the terminology. Can a man genetically become a woman - NO! And the same for a woman to man. I don't think anyone thinks that is arguable.

But if they have the surgeries and wish to live and be accepted as the opposite sex, what is wrong with that, can't we just accept it? Yes there are some occasional risks just in the same way there are risks if we force them to live a lie about who they believe they are.

The discussions here are generally based on the actual court cases, the law and the judgments, not downloaded thinking from transactivist groups.

If you fully understood the cases and had read the judgments and understood them - plenty of good articles around as well as huge multiple threads here - you would understand that you cannot permit men to use women's toilet spaces while saying no to them in other women's spaces. The law does not work like that. Single sex space is a specific legal definition created to meet specific needs. When you say yes to public toilets you're saying yes to women's sports, to women being strip searched, women on hospital wards, rape crisis group services, lesbian groups, ALL OF IT.

And you're still therefore happy to sacrifice the access and right of many women to have toilet space of any kind in society so that a man doesn't feel humiliated. You are dismissing every woman's voice, feelings, history, needs, experience, disability, culture, faith - because she matters less than these men do.

I still don't see the kindness or decency or consideration here?

Edited to add: you'll find many excellent posts by a MNetter here who is a researcher in toilet spaces and explains, in depth, why from that research unisex spaces are less safe for everyone. And again: your solution is to remove single sex provision from all women to spare men the distress of seeing those women permitted a space they cannot themselves own.

You really need a word with yourself about where this sexism came from.

Oh dear yet another thread where an OP drops a deliberately provocative post title and then is never heard of again. The idea of discussion boards is to discuss rather than just wind people up.

Anyway coming to AIBU next is "My cat has unexpectedly had a litter of cute kittens that I have been unable to sell or give away. Would I be unreasonable to put them in a weighted bag and throw them into the local river?"

Not only has the OP churned out the same old same old, so have a few others, “i never come on this board” , what about trans men, intersex, hermaphroditism

Can you explain the harm that is caused to transwomen by not being allowed in toilets designated for biological women.

Look at it this way: you buy a house, and you're told, "You can go anywhere you want, except in that one room. It is reserved for use by the resident rats." Would you go or not?

And if you say, "But rats are not human beings!"... Well, yes.

Well, someone's bored today. Slow news day (although say that to the poor people living in Bordeaux and central Spain).

Anyway, "transwomen" are men. Always were, always will be. The End.

Bye!

Melanin, not melatonin.

New law? What new law was that, then?

I don't know how you identify, but if you have ever tried to conceive, then you depend on sex based rights existing in law.

I suspect the difference between you and the people who post on this board is just that you take those rights for granted. You don't have to engage with feminism, but I will note that you are just standing on other women's shoulders.

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I thought this was a zombie thread from 2019.
This argument is over.

Also no. You absolutely cannot be a feminist if you advocates for males to be given access to women's resources. You want to shill for the men - you do you Hun. But hand back your feminist badge because your an MRA now.

Can we move on?

We are all standing on other women's shoulders.