Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

You might not want to acknowledge it but the way you have been socialised and travelled through life definitely will distinguish you from those men.

You can't transition from one sex to the other. At best, you can make superficial modifications to appear to look more like stereotypical members of the other sex. But your body remains the same sexed body as it ever was. That's it, nothing more.

Trans women are men. It is not possible to change biological sex. I do not care what these deluded men say, they cannot transition to be a woman any more than I can transition to become a cocker spaniel.

Can you give me an example of this ever happening?

Nobody makes the transition from male to female because it can't be done. The only transition they can actually make is in their heads and bizarrely enough that doesn't count!

You can't transition from one sex to the other. Plus there is no actual criteria to determine if someone is trans or not. You just say it out loud.

Magic innit.

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"Trans women are men."

Yep. That's what we mean when we say the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Anything said after that is utterly superfluous.

Does it work the other way?
Can females transition to male?
Can I tell Afghan women to identify as men to escape their horrific oppression?
Never realised it was so easy!

When I use the term 'trans woman' or 'trans man', I'm only ever doing it to be polite, because no, no-one is actually transitioning from one sex to the other. I typically shorten it to simply 'trans'. Still doesn't mean any literal transitioning is happening, except in someone's head and often how they dress and present themselves (including cosmetic surgery).

When the number of women killed at the hands of men starts declining, and I see as much activism to stop viloemce against women and girls, then I’ll reconsider my position.

For now, its nope. Safe spaces for women remains a priority

Sorry everyone I mean they transition to calling themselves female ! I didnt mean they magically become female my bad male is male female is female u can't change sexual genitals !! Just like I can't become a puppy !!! 😂 X x x

I think the question is less whether you can menstruate, and more what you would conclude if you don't menstruate.

In females lack of menstruation means pregnancy, poor nutrition, menopause, might be a side effect of medication, or if over 15 a health condition that requires investigation. Lack of a period in a woman is never insignificant.

In men it's just a consequence of being male.

You can see yourself wherever you like, but other people will see you very clearly. And it won’t be in the category ’woman’.

I think "trans woman" is a descriptor in itself - they wish to move from living their life as a man to living as a woman.

As to what that entails, yes I think that requires more than wearing lipstick (if that's your inference?). And that's where long-term psychological assessment, hormonal & surgical treatment, living for a defined period of years as the opposite sex etc before full transitioning, come into play.

If someone born male proceeds to, for instance, take hormones/have breast implants, but chooses to retain their lower genitalia permanently, then that's absolutely fine. But strictly speaking I think they are choosing to be what equates outwardly as hermaphrodite, not a trans woman.

I think he's gone....

That would be because hes rapist gender according to Stergeon and clearly "at it" according to useless yousef.

I am also a trans ally with several trans friends (all MtF), & believe that the change in law regarding toilet access is wrong & humiliating & had not been thought through properly - then or now.

A woman is confronted by a man who says he is a woman in the ladies toilets. Do you not think it is wrong and humiliating for her?

Sandie Peggie, in the middle of a menstrual flood went into the female changing rooms to change her scrubs. There was a man in there who identified as a woman. She tried to wait for him to leave before changing. He asked her why she was waiting. It was as if he wanted to watch her change. How humiliating is that for her?

Women’s single sex spaces are for privacy, safety and dignity.

If men who say they are women want private, safe, dignified places to change or pee, why are they not campaigning for them?

Why are they unhappy with the guidance says they should use spaces available to all which are single use and with a floor to ceiling door?

At what point does the man become a woman?

ZeBras are bras bigot 😜

Thank you. Maybe this would work with cherries I bought last week, which were delicious. I think this would be great to serve at the Great Council of Feminist Witches, don't you think?

Think OP is somewhat late to the programme! OP - you need the latest edition of the TRA handbook. Everything you’ve said was in edition 1 which they have since revised. HTH

It’s much more regressive to define women by adherence to or identification with gender norms.

The only thing all women have in common is being born female. Naturally, as that’s the only common factor between all women, and as it excludes anyone male, transwomen can’t accept it as a defining factor, so they try to assert that biology is regressive and gender progressive.

Women globally are oppressed on the grounds of our reproductive role, aka biology, aka being the gestating parent. This applies to women and girls who do, and those who don’t actually have children, simply because of biology.

Gender, OTOH, varies by culture, geography, and time. There are no “universally female” cultural expressions of gender, so trying to define anyone as either men or women by the extent to which they conform to or identify with any particular cultural gender norms is ridiculous.

Anyone can express themselves in any terms regarding gender, but gender identity doesn’t equate to sex, and it’s sex which actually matters.

Sorry everyone I mean they transition to calling themselves female ! I didnt mean they magically become female my bad male is male female is female u can't change sexual genitals !! Just like I can't become a puppy !!! 😂 X x x

You are proposing that "trans women" have brains more like actual women than average men do. That kind of research is only possible if you can accurately identify everyone's sex in the study to start with.

I reject the idea that a woman is a man with a penis and a supposedly feminine brain. It's utter nonsense.