Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

Cool story bro

Quick spot-the-difference competition. One of these is a male brain. One of these is apparently a female brain. Can you tell which is which?
ETA assuming the images get approved.

The man who wishes to be a woman can NOT use a female safe space.

I said the same to my daughter as we were discussing this yesterday. There are loud voices at either extreme, but the compromises are really simple and those loud voices aren’t interested in it.

Transwomen are men.

Only men can be transwomen.

Men are not allowed in womens's spaces.

Perhaps in the form of an equation?

If a = b, and b is not allowed in womens spaces, in what reality would a?

"The Brain Sex of transgender women was estimated as 0.75 ± 0.39, thus hovering between cisgender men and cisgender women, albeit closer to cisgender men (see also Figure 1). The follow-up post hoc tests revealed that transgender women were significantly more female than cisgender men (Cohen’s d = 0.64, t(46) = 2.20, p = 0.016), but significantly less female than cisgender women (Cohen’s d = 1.87, t(46) = 6.48, p < 0.001)."

This doesn't prove anything. In fact it states that the brains of the transgender women are not female? Perhaps I'm missing something?

No idea if these are any good, but

https://saltyginger.com/ginger-biscuits/

wonder where OP's gone? Is it too much to hope that it's to actually read the super special (and completely definitive with it's 24 participants and 88% accuracy, with no alternative comparators, for example 24 male-attracted men/female attracted women, etc.) magic study that actually says the exact opposite of what it was supposed to prove?

Even if words " The Brain Sex of transgender women was...hovering between cisgender men and cisgender women, albeit closer to cisgender men" are complicated, the accompanying diagram makes it pretty obvious. Even if the TW sample was coloured pink!

Twice 1st on the girl guiding thread and when he got his arse handed to him, he then tried to get us to email him and when that didn't work he started this thread on a board he hoped would be his echo chamber, then linked to this thread from the GG one, even after we suggested he ask to have it moved he refused.
But thats apparently feme coded behaviour 🤔

What does it actually mean to be a woman to you? What makes someone a woman? Not the stock "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman." but an actual tangible answer.

What does living as a woman entail day to day? And how does that contrast to how living as a man is?

Is your daughter also old enough or self aware enough to understand that consent is not transferable? That is, does she understand that just because she’s ok sharing with a boy who says he’s a girl, she doesn’t get to override the wishes of any girls who do not wish to share with a boy who says he’s a girl?

I imagine this would be a trans-identifying man’s brain. Image attached.

This study said that trans women's brains were somewhere between the male and female on a continuum, but still closer to the male so I really don't see how that can be evidence - in fact if anything it's evidence against. And there is evidence the brains of gay men are more similar to women's in some ways, so the really interesting study would be to compare trans women's brains with gay men's brains.

Nope and the law says no as well

Nope, a biological man will always be a man. If one comes into a toilet I am using they would get short sharp shrift.

Quite. In addition, the authors didn't control for sexual orientation. They basically discovered effeminate gay men🙄

No !

Women who have been victims of abuse need safe places.

I'm with JK Rowling

Oh dear. No, one of her school friends is a male and just happens to want to share tents etc with females most who im sure would object. Does what 'he' wants trump what these girls want? No it doesnt and you should be asking your daughter why she feels happy with this, it is the thin end of the wedge im afraid, she should be ashamed of herself.

@PrettyPickle

It doesn’t have to be framed as “all or nothing”, or “you’re either inclusive or you’re not”.

The current framing forces people into ideological corners.

It's the main feature, not a bug at all. TRAs don't want solutions; they just want to scream at women and force them to submit. It's all about one ideological side getting to present themselves astThe Goodies opposed to the horrible Baddies, and being allowed to abuse them to their hearts' content.

If it were really about trans people getting what they need, the TRAs would have been asking for trans or gender-neutral spaces for more than a decade.

Happily, I don't think single sex sport is at all complicated.

I object to large queues for the women's toilets and there never are for men, so unisex cubicles would be a big improvement for us ladies (whether dressed as ladies from birth or not).

The problem is that there is a trade off between safety and privacy in a public/private space, and unisex facilities take up more space.

I think unisex toilets are sometimes appropriate, but there are downsides to putting an inaccessible room in a public space. The increased privacy makes it easier to use the space for criminal purposes, and more difficult to help somebody who is in distress.

As a transwomen, can you;

• Grow a foetus and birth it?
• Can you breast feed it?
• Can you menstruate?

The above answer's are no. So you are not a Woman. It's literally that simple.
Identify however you want, doesn't bother me in the slightest, but don't discredit Women by saying you are the same, you are not.

Then her parents, teachers and leaders should be pointing out the very obvious safeguarding issues.

Do we think that the redditors are sitting and watching with pride as numbersguy makes his valiant effort to convince women to agree with his fervent belief or are the redditors sitting there cringing and thinking 'maybe we should a sorting hat approach to identify who may be able to represent us on MN - truly the brightest and the best'

Do we think the OP is an “effeminate gay man, possibly still closeted”-type of transwoman, or the “likes to wear frilly underwear and gets aroused when women refer to him as she”-type transwoman?

Nope you are either male or female with a small percentage intersex.

i am a woman, I was assigned female at birth, and my anatomy is that of a female

i am not a cisgender woman, just a women