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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please help me navigate the first stages of dating, with a conflict on trans issues (I'm a guy...)

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ConfessionalPiece · 11/05/2026 12:26

Name changed for obvious reasons.

Relevant background:

I’m male, divorced, and recently back on the dating scene after a relationship ended about three months ago.

I’m gender critical / sex realist and politically engaged (specifically on this issue, quite engaged). I care a lot about politics, debate and ideas. I also have strong ADHD and light autistic traits, which means I can be quite intense, direct, and I know I don’t always find grey areas easy.

So, I matched with a woman on a dating app recently. There was a very strong connection straight away. We had a long conversation the night we matched, then met the next day despite some distance between us. The date went very well, with real chemistry and intimacy.

Let’s call her Lady X.

There are some practical location issues, but nothing I would necessarily see as impossible if things developed.

The connection felt unusually strong, although I know it is very early days. We seem to have similar neurodivergent traits, and there was that sense of recognising something in each other which can be quite rare.

On my Tinder profile I had said I was genuinely interested in politics. She asked whether I was right wing or a Tory / Reform voter. I said I don’t really fit neatly into party labels, and that I’m more of an issues-based voter than someone tribal about one party.

Then this came up.

While chatting on messages, she mentioned she used to have an anonymous X account where she saw herself as being an ally to people getting abuse, mainly trans people. When I asked a bit more, it turned out this was around the time J.K. Rowling published her letter. Lady X said she had been pushing back against misinformation, scaremongering and bullying. When I asked more, she sent me a link to Mermaids’ response to J.K. Rowling.

I pushed back a little and said I think there are serious issues with Mermaids and that I wouldn’t automatically trust their framing.

This has left me unsure what to do.

I think this could potentially have legs. I also know I am not always easy to be in a relationship with. Partly that is because of how I see the world, partly because of ADHD/autism, although I am happy being who I am. It can just make relationships harder. So the idea of being with someone who genuinely “gets” some of that is very appealing. It could be brilliant. Or it could be a disaster.

I also know that people with our kind of brains can sometimes become very black and white about the world. I have had to work hard on this myself. Years ago, for example, I found it extremely difficult living in a world where people eat meat, because veganism felt so morally obvious to me. I have had to learn, slowly, to sit with ambiguity and difference. I still find it hard.

I am much better sitting with grey areas and ambiguity than I was in the past.

The issue is that I really don’t believe humans can change sex. I think sex matters in some contexts, and I see this as a serious feminist issue. I am struggling to work out whether this is something we could navigate.

Do we just avoid the subject? That seems unlikely to work, especially for me.

Do we have a proper discussion and see whether there is any meeting of minds? That could go well, or it could expose a complete incompatibility.

Do I walk away now and save everyone the trouble?

I want to be live-and-let-live. I genuinely want to respect differences of opinion. But when a difference of opinion touches on women’s rights and safeguarding, I find it much harder to treat it as just another political disagreement.

Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

I know this could go in Relationships, but I thought I might get a different steer here.

And yes, I do know this is only one date so far.

Maybe this is really about politics and values more broadly, and I’m focusing on the trans issue because it is currently so salient for me.

I’d really appreciate advice, especially from women here who understand the current debate.

Please be kind. I know I may be overthinking it.

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polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:19

MrsColinRobinson · 15/05/2026 20:16

The dead giveaway you're a man is your determination to have the last word

and yet I don't. I was dismissed by the bloke.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 20:31

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:12

I don't identify as trans. I live. I've lived my life. I don't impose views. I am not telling anyone how to live their life or possess the power to control anyone's access to rights.

I went through a sex change process that had a beginning and an ending. Sex realists call this a 'trans identity' that sticks to a person for life. I don't control what they believe. I will play along with this on mumsnet, for the sake of conversation though.

Edited

You didn’t change your sex.

swimsong · 15/05/2026 20:48

ConfessionalPiece · 11/05/2026 16:01

Something along the lines of they may not be perfect but the letter has some good points.

https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

It seems to cite a lot of things - maybe they are all out dated now?

So as you haven't been back I'm guessing starting this thread was just an excuse to post that link. Thought you'd be educating the women folk?

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2026 21:01

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:42

Honestly, I don't think about what people think or believe about me. That's in their head, not mine. I know how I experience my own life. I observe how others are treated. If the situation is weird enough, I try my best to understand why someone is treating another weirdly. I assume it is the same for everyone.

It doesn't take a lot of observation skills to see the difference in how non-trans people treat non-trans people vs. how non-trans people treat observably/known trans people.

No, you don't know what I look like. I'm not going to share either 🙂. I transitioned from male to female as a teen. The sex realist ideology requires this part of my life as definitional for everything else, forever, to the erasure of all else that has occurred since. My life has happened regardless of what mumsnet believes.

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Absolutely no desire to see.what you look like. Its the relentless insistence that you really truly honestly do pass, in post after post. Its very very boring and totally pointless. You could be a sentient bowl of porridge for all anyone can tell.

FrippEnos · 15/05/2026 21:14

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:12

I don't identify as trans. I live. I've lived my life. I don't impose views. I am not telling anyone how to live their life or possess the power to control anyone's access to rights.

I went through a sex change process that had a beginning and an ending. Sex realists call this a 'trans identity' that sticks to a person for life. I don't control what they believe. I will play along with this on mumsnet, for the sake of conversation though.

Edited

So you are trans, then you admit that you are not a woman?
Otherwise you wouldn't be trans.

I don't impose views. I am not telling anyone how to live their life or possess the power to control anyone's access to rights.

If you use spaces that are single sex and for women then you are imposing your views and controling the rights of women.

MrsColinRobinson · 15/05/2026 21:20

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:19

and yet I don't. I was dismissed by the bloke.

Edited

You're both men, but one's honest about it.

Wearenotborg · 15/05/2026 21:58

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:07

Men are not aggressive against men like they are against women.

Try again.

Exactly. That’s why males with a trans identity do not experience misogyny. Now you’re getting it!

Wearenotborg · 15/05/2026 21:59

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2026 21:01

Absolutely no desire to see.what you look like. Its the relentless insistence that you really truly honestly do pass, in post after post. Its very very boring and totally pointless. You could be a sentient bowl of porridge for all anyone can tell.

Do not diss porridge like that! I’d say All bran is more apt.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 22:08

MrsColinRobinson · 15/05/2026 21:20

You're both men, but one's honest about it.

Thinking about mixing it up on Friday nights with a bit of guy liner.

CassOle · 15/05/2026 22:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 22:08

Thinking about mixing it up on Friday nights with a bit of guy liner.

You just need a V-neck T-shirt (apparently).

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 22:39

CassOle · 15/05/2026 22:25

You just need a V-neck T-shirt (apparently).

Shit i have about five, is that another signal I have been giving out by mistake?

CassOle · 15/05/2026 22:45

Well, in the Sal Grover thread, it was supposedly argued that she should have known that Roxy Tickle was a true and honest woman due to his V neckline.

borntobequiet · 16/05/2026 06:38

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 22:39

Shit i have about five, is that another signal I have been giving out by mistake?

Yes, the assumption seems to be that the only reason one would wear a V-neck is to draw attention to cleavage, which is weird on so many levels.

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2026 08:37

Men who think they have the authority to tell women they are women as well, especially given when the women do not agree and say "No" are by definition Incels.

Transwomen who say they are women too are transincels.

Sorry but the lack of consent matters.

Wearenotborg · 16/05/2026 17:57

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2026 08:37

Men who think they have the authority to tell women they are women as well, especially given when the women do not agree and say "No" are by definition Incels.

Transwomen who say they are women too are transincels.

Sorry but the lack of consent matters.

I’m struggling to find the difference between TRA and people like Andrew Tate to be honest.

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 20:29

Wearenotborg · 16/05/2026 17:57

I’m struggling to find the difference between TRA and people like Andrew Tate to be honest.

Well, Andrew Tate rapes, assaults and trafficks women for a start...

Added 'sex realists believe wives and mothers are incels' to the list.

Sex realists really spend way too much time watering down feminist theory and observations with rubbish like this.

Wearenotborg · 16/05/2026 21:23

I think the similarities between AT etc and the TRA are that both groups think women are inferior and deserve no rights, threaten women when told no and reduce women to sexist offensive stereotypes. The best ones are those who treat women as props in their delusions and treat women as NPC

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 21:33

The best ones are those who treat women as props in their delusions and treat women as NPC

You're really selling yourselves short. NPCs (looked it up) don't respond on internet forums.

Also, women's rights are my rights. I am in favour of increasing these rights, for all women.

Wearenotborg · 16/05/2026 21:37

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2026 13:18

polypostwonder · 16/05/2026 20:29

Well, Andrew Tate rapes, assaults and trafficks women for a start...

Added 'sex realists believe wives and mothers are incels' to the list.

Sex realists really spend way too much time watering down feminist theory and observations with rubbish like this.

Edited

There are some interesting names that could be posted here at this point with reference to rape, murder and paedos. These names have created headlines not just in Scotland, the wider UK and the rest of the world.

But yes let us conveniently forget them as they somehow don't count.

Parentingisharder · 19/05/2026 09:39

I think I’d have the conversation sooner rather than later. It will be a good litmus test to see if you can handle disagreement as a couple.
i enjoyed the fact you are diagnosed with adhd and all the diagnosis protectors were put in their places. Using the phrase adhd traits is perfectly fine. There’s is no blood test for this diagnosis. It is very subjective to the assessor- and psychologists often disagree with one another. Sometimes It’s inaccurate to pretend that there is such a huge difference between a person diagnosed with adhd and another who has adhd traits, some people are undiagnosed, and some people are wrongly diagnosed. It’s a mess, frankly

ainsleysanob · 19/05/2026 11:50

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:12

I don't identify as trans. I live. I've lived my life. I don't impose views. I am not telling anyone how to live their life or possess the power to control anyone's access to rights.

I went through a sex change process that had a beginning and an ending. Sex realists call this a 'trans identity' that sticks to a person for life. I don't control what they believe. I will play along with this on mumsnet, for the sake of conversation though.

Edited

How did the chromosome exchange work then? Is it like a blood transfusion where they removed all the Y chromosomes and exchanged them all for X? And with your ‘change’ having an ending, when did you stop taking synthetic hormones?

CassOle · 19/05/2026 12:32

"a sex change process that had a beginning and an ending"

The beginning starts with an organism (in this case, a male human being) that has a body that has developed to produce small gametes. The middle is a natural metamorphosis (so no exogenous hormones needed, or surgery). The end is when the same organism (so the very same human being, but now female) can no longer produce small gametes, but can now produce large gametes.

If that actually happens, I will concede that the individual has changed sex.

Unfortunately, it's not what happened.

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