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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please help me navigate the first stages of dating, with a conflict on trans issues (I'm a guy...)

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ConfessionalPiece · 11/05/2026 12:26

Name changed for obvious reasons.

Relevant background:

I’m male, divorced, and recently back on the dating scene after a relationship ended about three months ago.

I’m gender critical / sex realist and politically engaged (specifically on this issue, quite engaged). I care a lot about politics, debate and ideas. I also have strong ADHD and light autistic traits, which means I can be quite intense, direct, and I know I don’t always find grey areas easy.

So, I matched with a woman on a dating app recently. There was a very strong connection straight away. We had a long conversation the night we matched, then met the next day despite some distance between us. The date went very well, with real chemistry and intimacy.

Let’s call her Lady X.

There are some practical location issues, but nothing I would necessarily see as impossible if things developed.

The connection felt unusually strong, although I know it is very early days. We seem to have similar neurodivergent traits, and there was that sense of recognising something in each other which can be quite rare.

On my Tinder profile I had said I was genuinely interested in politics. She asked whether I was right wing or a Tory / Reform voter. I said I don’t really fit neatly into party labels, and that I’m more of an issues-based voter than someone tribal about one party.

Then this came up.

While chatting on messages, she mentioned she used to have an anonymous X account where she saw herself as being an ally to people getting abuse, mainly trans people. When I asked a bit more, it turned out this was around the time J.K. Rowling published her letter. Lady X said she had been pushing back against misinformation, scaremongering and bullying. When I asked more, she sent me a link to Mermaids’ response to J.K. Rowling.

I pushed back a little and said I think there are serious issues with Mermaids and that I wouldn’t automatically trust their framing.

This has left me unsure what to do.

I think this could potentially have legs. I also know I am not always easy to be in a relationship with. Partly that is because of how I see the world, partly because of ADHD/autism, although I am happy being who I am. It can just make relationships harder. So the idea of being with someone who genuinely “gets” some of that is very appealing. It could be brilliant. Or it could be a disaster.

I also know that people with our kind of brains can sometimes become very black and white about the world. I have had to work hard on this myself. Years ago, for example, I found it extremely difficult living in a world where people eat meat, because veganism felt so morally obvious to me. I have had to learn, slowly, to sit with ambiguity and difference. I still find it hard.

I am much better sitting with grey areas and ambiguity than I was in the past.

The issue is that I really don’t believe humans can change sex. I think sex matters in some contexts, and I see this as a serious feminist issue. I am struggling to work out whether this is something we could navigate.

Do we just avoid the subject? That seems unlikely to work, especially for me.

Do we have a proper discussion and see whether there is any meeting of minds? That could go well, or it could expose a complete incompatibility.

Do I walk away now and save everyone the trouble?

I want to be live-and-let-live. I genuinely want to respect differences of opinion. But when a difference of opinion touches on women’s rights and safeguarding, I find it much harder to treat it as just another political disagreement.

Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

I know this could go in Relationships, but I thought I might get a different steer here.

And yes, I do know this is only one date so far.

Maybe this is really about politics and values more broadly, and I’m focusing on the trans issue because it is currently so salient for me.

I’d really appreciate advice, especially from women here who understand the current debate.

Please be kind. I know I may be overthinking it.

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Mmmnotsure · 13/05/2026 13:28

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 12/05/2026 21:26

I'm aware. And unsurprised.

Never mind.

If you are unsurprised that people can't understand your argument then there are plenty of examples in this area of Mnet that might be useful for you to look at, and could help you in formulating your own position, or answering questions.

Laconicism needs to be used competently to be effective.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2026 14:18

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/05/2026 13:28

Calling a woman a man is lame, sexist and exclusionary. It's been weaponised throughout history to exclude certain women from the protection racket of patriarchy.

Women are taught to fear it for a reason.

I don't fear it at all. Been told In don't look enough like a woman, stand like one, write like one. The misogyny is familiar ground, cheers.

Again, whatevs. I don’t care whether you care what I think. It doesn’t stop me thinking it.

Wearenotborg · 13/05/2026 14:57

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/05/2026 13:04

It's extremely offensive to appropriate terms used to describe and evoke racism, genocide, erasure of entire peoples, looting, pillaging, slavery and murder.

As for inventing a ridiculous false victimhood and vexing about that instead of women's actual problems?

Yeah never mind poverty, domestic violence, rape culture and the deeply frightening slow reveal of how prevalent drug-assisted rape within marriage is, beause...did you know trans women sometimes wear make-up?! Oh no! That's just like systemic, violent, murderous racism!

Oh wait, trans men and nb people are being encouraged to access obs and human care via inclusive language!! Crisis! Erasure! Sounds the alarms, it's incredibly important!

Quite the luxury beliefs you've got there.

But don’t TRA go on about the “trans genocide” and compare people to Nazis? Don’t TRA say say that “transwomen are women just as black women are women”? If you can’t define what a woman is, how can you talk about VWAG? How is woman saying they need single sex spaces a luxury belief, but man demanding access to those spaces is not a luxury belief? Surely with women being the oppressed sex class, you’d be on the side of the oppressed, nor the men oppressing women?

Wearenotborg · 13/05/2026 14:58

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/05/2026 13:28

Calling a woman a man is lame, sexist and exclusionary. It's been weaponised throughout history to exclude certain women from the protection racket of patriarchy.

Women are taught to fear it for a reason.

I don't fear it at all. Been told In don't look enough like a woman, stand like one, write like one. The misogyny is familiar ground, cheers.

But hold on, didn’t you say that words were nothing to get upset about, and calling people “cis” when they didn’t identify as such was no big deal. Surely then calling you a man when you don’t identify as such is no big deal right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2026 15:08

I didn’t call this person a man, that’s something they’ve projected.

Wearenotborg · 13/05/2026 15:09

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2026 15:08

I didn’t call this person a man, that’s something they’ve projected.

I know. I just wanted to point out the double standards. I think this person is er….. typing with one hand and the other is busy…

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 13/05/2026 17:03

@ConfessionalPiece

Oh I did have in my profile "No men in dresses, no poly, no queer nonsense"

What does ‘no queer nonsense’ mean? I understand you’re a man and aren’t looking for a man, but this is phrased very aggressively I think? Unless I have completely misunderstood what you mean?

BiologicalRobot · 13/05/2026 21:37

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 13/05/2026 17:03

@ConfessionalPiece

Oh I did have in my profile "No men in dresses, no poly, no queer nonsense"

What does ‘no queer nonsense’ mean? I understand you’re a man and aren’t looking for a man, but this is phrased very aggressively I think? Unless I have completely misunderstood what you mean?

He probably means demi sexual, pan sexual , two spirited, or possibly one of the 100 (maybe more) genders. He is making it very clear he wants a straight woman, non spicy. It's not aggressive at all.

GingerdeadMan · 13/05/2026 23:03

This thread has gone beyond parody.

Its a really great example of "operation let them speak'.

Angry man mansplains feminism (badly) - film at 11 (and as a bonus tells the laydeez why our concerns are not important, what we're all doing wrong, why we don't get to choose what labels people use about us, why we can't talk about women's oppression, dear me no, and why he should make all the rules).

borntobequiet · 14/05/2026 07:41

BiologicalRobot · 13/05/2026 21:37

He probably means demi sexual, pan sexual , two spirited, or possibly one of the 100 (maybe more) genders. He is making it very clear he wants a straight woman, non spicy. It's not aggressive at all.

I missed the original post, but just reading this I thought it was against polyester dresses, which I am too, generally.

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2026 07:50

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/05/2026 13:04

It's extremely offensive to appropriate terms used to describe and evoke racism, genocide, erasure of entire peoples, looting, pillaging, slavery and murder.

As for inventing a ridiculous false victimhood and vexing about that instead of women's actual problems?

Yeah never mind poverty, domestic violence, rape culture and the deeply frightening slow reveal of how prevalent drug-assisted rape within marriage is, beause...did you know trans women sometimes wear make-up?! Oh no! That's just like systemic, violent, murderous racism!

Oh wait, trans men and nb people are being encouraged to access obs and human care via inclusive language!! Crisis! Erasure! Sounds the alarms, it's incredibly important!

Quite the luxury beliefs you've got there.

I think you are raising a whole pile of straw men arguments to justify your own bollocks. Meanwhile women can't address any of the issues that face them if they can't first define themselves on their own terms without men.

You don't get to dictate what is offensive and what isn't. Cos you don't own the world.

BiologicalRobot · 14/05/2026 09:43

borntobequiet · 14/05/2026 07:41

I missed the original post, but just reading this I thought it was against polyester dresses, which I am too, generally.

Oh. But if both of you have poly (not necessarily dresses) then just think of the static light show at night ⚡

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 11:54

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2026 07:50

I think you are raising a whole pile of straw men arguments to justify your own bollocks. Meanwhile women can't address any of the issues that face them if they can't first define themselves on their own terms without men.

You don't get to dictate what is offensive and what isn't. Cos you don't own the world.

Oh no, I don't own the world anymore?! Calling my broker immediately, what happened 🙁

No one has ever been beaten kind of being cis. It's not shouted at anyone as an insult, and people don't suffer discrimination for being cis.

Disliking an adjective is not oppression. And appropriating the language of actual oppression is, yes, offensive.

Lifting terms used to describe the organised enslavement, murder, rape and genocide of entire peoples because an adjective exists is disrespectful of their suffering - and it's racist.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 14/05/2026 11:59

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 11:54

Oh no, I don't own the world anymore?! Calling my broker immediately, what happened 🙁

No one has ever been beaten kind of being cis. It's not shouted at anyone as an insult, and people don't suffer discrimination for being cis.

Disliking an adjective is not oppression. And appropriating the language of actual oppression is, yes, offensive.

Lifting terms used to describe the organised enslavement, murder, rape and genocide of entire peoples because an adjective exists is disrespectful of their suffering - and it's racist.

Your argument would hold more water if you lot didn't keep shouting Nazi at women who might like to have a wee without spotting a cock and balls

"Lifting terms used to describe the organised enslavement, murder, rape and genocide (for example, Nazi) of entire peoples because an adjective exists is disrespectful of their suffering - and it's racist."

😵

PrimeSeason · 14/05/2026 12:05

Have a proper discussion

GreyskySexRealistsky · 14/05/2026 12:09

And appropriating the language of actual oppression is, yes, offensive.

I agree with you wholeheartedly @TransParentlyAnnoyed

Now if you could just lay off the 'genocide' that'd be great.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/05/2026 12:10

Is she a vegan to? Can you work with that?
I don’t think it needs to be a huge issue in your relationship unless either of you can’t handle debate or if you have a gender non conforming child one day (higher chance if you’re autistic!) and disagree on how to approach them (but lots of parents do disagree)

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:10

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 14/05/2026 11:59

Your argument would hold more water if you lot didn't keep shouting Nazi at women who might like to have a wee without spotting a cock and balls

"Lifting terms used to describe the organised enslavement, murder, rape and genocide (for example, Nazi) of entire peoples because an adjective exists is disrespectful of their suffering - and it's racist."

😵

You write the word Nazi, then accuse me of using the word Nazi? 🤔

And two points:

  1. Trans children are rare at school. Those who do attend, use cubicles.
  1. Again, anyone who crowbars mention of children and genitals into a discussion (I was talking about the appropriation of the language of slavery and murder, and about the word 'cis') is a red flag visible from space.

Ugh. Who does that?! Stop talking about children and genitals, you absolute danger.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:18

GreyskySexRealistsky · 14/05/2026 12:09

And appropriating the language of actual oppression is, yes, offensive.

I agree with you wholeheartedly @TransParentlyAnnoyed

Now if you could just lay off the 'genocide' that'd be great.

Edited

I'm assuming you're referring to trans people describing the organised efforts against them, which in many cases aspires to forced detransition, and the celebrations of the (many) recent trans deaths as 'genocide'.

Ah, sorry. Oppressed people get to describe attempts to eliminate them how they want.

While people claiming oppression from.adjectives, do not.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 14/05/2026 12:20

Nope. Not genocide. Not in any way, shape or form.

Wearenotborg · 14/05/2026 12:22

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:10

You write the word Nazi, then accuse me of using the word Nazi? 🤔

And two points:

  1. Trans children are rare at school. Those who do attend, use cubicles.
  1. Again, anyone who crowbars mention of children and genitals into a discussion (I was talking about the appropriation of the language of slavery and murder, and about the word 'cis') is a red flag visible from space.

Ugh. Who does that?! Stop talking about children and genitals, you absolute danger.

Calm down dear. You seem to be clutching your pearls a bit too hard. Have a nice cup of tea and a lie down. It might help the very unwomanly rage to pass.

So when TRA talk about a “trans genocide” are they also appropriating language? Or is that ok? When women get called Nazis for saying no to men, is that ok by you?
if calling people adjectives they don’t agree or identify with us fine, surely calling people nouns or pronouns they don’t agree with or identify with is fine also? So if I call a TIM a man, that should be fine with you as “it’s only a noun”.

Wearenotborg · 14/05/2026 12:23

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:18

I'm assuming you're referring to trans people describing the organised efforts against them, which in many cases aspires to forced detransition, and the celebrations of the (many) recent trans deaths as 'genocide'.

Ah, sorry. Oppressed people get to describe attempts to eliminate them how they want.

While people claiming oppression from.adjectives, do not.

Ok, as a member of an oppressed class (woman), im telling you now, your attempts to redefine woman and the very language used to describe woman is offensive. Please stop. Or else be known as a hypocrite and a misogynist.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 14/05/2026 12:27

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:10

You write the word Nazi, then accuse me of using the word Nazi? 🤔

And two points:

  1. Trans children are rare at school. Those who do attend, use cubicles.
  1. Again, anyone who crowbars mention of children and genitals into a discussion (I was talking about the appropriation of the language of slavery and murder, and about the word 'cis') is a red flag visible from space.

Ugh. Who does that?! Stop talking about children and genitals, you absolute danger.

  1. "Trans children are rare at school. Those who do attend, use cubicles."

No they don't

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/father-sue-school-over-trans-pupils-using-female-lavatories-jz76f6r5m

"Again, anyone who crowbars mention of children and genitals into a discussion"

Nobody needs to check anyones genitals, they never have. No person on earth passes as the other sex. Not one.

You are using a method that is designed to deliberately shut down debate, because rightly who does want to talk about children's genitals. Though you bring them up a lot.

It's like shouting racist at people, or transphobic - it does not work any more and just makes you look more stupid than you already did.

YOU are the red flag

YOU are the one who needs investigating

YOU are the one who does not believe in safeguarding

I truly hope you get the full and thorough examination you deserve.

School in landmark High Court fight over boys using girls’ changing rooms

The case could have major implications for what toilets and facilities trans-identifying pupils are allowed to use across Britain

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

ArabellaScott · 14/05/2026 12:31

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 12:10

You write the word Nazi, then accuse me of using the word Nazi? 🤔

And two points:

  1. Trans children are rare at school. Those who do attend, use cubicles.
  1. Again, anyone who crowbars mention of children and genitals into a discussion (I was talking about the appropriation of the language of slavery and murder, and about the word 'cis') is a red flag visible from space.

Ugh. Who does that?! Stop talking about children and genitals, you absolute danger.

You've not met all the 'trans' children. How on earth do you make assertions?

Heggettypeg · 14/05/2026 12:32

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/05/2026 11:54

Oh no, I don't own the world anymore?! Calling my broker immediately, what happened 🙁

No one has ever been beaten kind of being cis. It's not shouted at anyone as an insult, and people don't suffer discrimination for being cis.

Disliking an adjective is not oppression. And appropriating the language of actual oppression is, yes, offensive.

Lifting terms used to describe the organised enslavement, murder, rape and genocide of entire peoples because an adjective exists is disrespectful of their suffering - and it's racist.

You have missed the point here.
Since the beginning of recorded history and probably long before, men have exploited women and ill-treated and killed them. In fact, I would hazard a guess that being a woman has been the cause of more individuals' oppression than any other characteristic. And of course it is still going on, from Afghanistan to the house next door where a husband beats his wife.

Against that background, for some men to claim that they are women and are victims of misogyny, and that actual women are a subcategory of women called "cis-women", is just the straw that breaks the camel's back. The final appropriation and insult.