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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please help me navigate the first stages of dating, with a conflict on trans issues (I'm a guy...)

223 replies

ConfessionalPiece · 11/05/2026 12:26

Name changed for obvious reasons.

Relevant background:

I’m male, divorced, and recently back on the dating scene after a relationship ended about three months ago.

I’m gender critical / sex realist and politically engaged (specifically on this issue, quite engaged). I care a lot about politics, debate and ideas. I also have strong ADHD and light autistic traits, which means I can be quite intense, direct, and I know I don’t always find grey areas easy.

So, I matched with a woman on a dating app recently. There was a very strong connection straight away. We had a long conversation the night we matched, then met the next day despite some distance between us. The date went very well, with real chemistry and intimacy.

Let’s call her Lady X.

There are some practical location issues, but nothing I would necessarily see as impossible if things developed.

The connection felt unusually strong, although I know it is very early days. We seem to have similar neurodivergent traits, and there was that sense of recognising something in each other which can be quite rare.

On my Tinder profile I had said I was genuinely interested in politics. She asked whether I was right wing or a Tory / Reform voter. I said I don’t really fit neatly into party labels, and that I’m more of an issues-based voter than someone tribal about one party.

Then this came up.

While chatting on messages, she mentioned she used to have an anonymous X account where she saw herself as being an ally to people getting abuse, mainly trans people. When I asked a bit more, it turned out this was around the time J.K. Rowling published her letter. Lady X said she had been pushing back against misinformation, scaremongering and bullying. When I asked more, she sent me a link to Mermaids’ response to J.K. Rowling.

I pushed back a little and said I think there are serious issues with Mermaids and that I wouldn’t automatically trust their framing.

This has left me unsure what to do.

I think this could potentially have legs. I also know I am not always easy to be in a relationship with. Partly that is because of how I see the world, partly because of ADHD/autism, although I am happy being who I am. It can just make relationships harder. So the idea of being with someone who genuinely “gets” some of that is very appealing. It could be brilliant. Or it could be a disaster.

I also know that people with our kind of brains can sometimes become very black and white about the world. I have had to work hard on this myself. Years ago, for example, I found it extremely difficult living in a world where people eat meat, because veganism felt so morally obvious to me. I have had to learn, slowly, to sit with ambiguity and difference. I still find it hard.

I am much better sitting with grey areas and ambiguity than I was in the past.

The issue is that I really don’t believe humans can change sex. I think sex matters in some contexts, and I see this as a serious feminist issue. I am struggling to work out whether this is something we could navigate.

Do we just avoid the subject? That seems unlikely to work, especially for me.

Do we have a proper discussion and see whether there is any meeting of minds? That could go well, or it could expose a complete incompatibility.

Do I walk away now and save everyone the trouble?

I want to be live-and-let-live. I genuinely want to respect differences of opinion. But when a difference of opinion touches on women’s rights and safeguarding, I find it much harder to treat it as just another political disagreement.

Am I thinking about this the wrong way?

I know this could go in Relationships, but I thought I might get a different steer here.

And yes, I do know this is only one date so far.

Maybe this is really about politics and values more broadly, and I’m focusing on the trans issue because it is currently so salient for me.

I’d really appreciate advice, especially from women here who understand the current debate.

Please be kind. I know I may be overthinking it.

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polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:13

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 19:12

You can only know how a man presenting as a woman is treated.

Not how a woman is treated.

Men's treatment of women does not require an observer or a referee to qualify the situation. You are being very anti-feminist.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:15

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:13

Men's treatment of women does not require an observer or a referee to qualify the situation. You are being very anti-feminist.

Men’s treatment of men however…

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:16

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:15

Men’s treatment of men however…

You would be the expert here.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:16

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:16

You would be the expert here.

Possibly more lived experience than you, yes.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 19:19

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:13

Men's treatment of women does not require an observer or a referee to qualify the situation. You are being very anti-feminist.

Not addressing the point as usual. And sticking in a perceived insult as usual.

We are used to this tactic now. It doesn't impress anyone and it doesn't convince anyone you're a woman.

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2026 19:23

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:11

I do.

You are an anonymous poster on the internet.

It is theoretically possible that you really, really do pass.

It's just that we've been told this by men before, that they are truly ladylike and dainty, and then we've seen pictures. And they don't.

Does it really matter to you that people believe that you are mistaken for a woman? I suppose it does.

But honestly, we have no way of knowing what you look like. All we know, because you have told us, is that you are male.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 19:24

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:16

You would be the expert here.

😂

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:42

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2026 19:23

You are an anonymous poster on the internet.

It is theoretically possible that you really, really do pass.

It's just that we've been told this by men before, that they are truly ladylike and dainty, and then we've seen pictures. And they don't.

Does it really matter to you that people believe that you are mistaken for a woman? I suppose it does.

But honestly, we have no way of knowing what you look like. All we know, because you have told us, is that you are male.

Honestly, I don't think about what people think or believe about me. That's in their head, not mine. I know how I experience my own life. I observe how others are treated. If the situation is weird enough, I try my best to understand why someone is treating another weirdly. I assume it is the same for everyone.

It doesn't take a lot of observation skills to see the difference in how non-trans people treat non-trans people vs. how non-trans people treat observably/known trans people.

No, you don't know what I look like. I'm not going to share either 🙂. I transitioned from male to female as a teen. The sex realist ideology requires this part of my life as definitional for everything else, forever, to the erasure of all else that has occurred since. My life has happened regardless of what mumsnet believes.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:43

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 19:24

😂

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😉

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:44

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:42

Honestly, I don't think about what people think or believe about me. That's in their head, not mine. I know how I experience my own life. I observe how others are treated. If the situation is weird enough, I try my best to understand why someone is treating another weirdly. I assume it is the same for everyone.

It doesn't take a lot of observation skills to see the difference in how non-trans people treat non-trans people vs. how non-trans people treat observably/known trans people.

No, you don't know what I look like. I'm not going to share either 🙂. I transitioned from male to female as a teen. The sex realist ideology requires this part of my life as definitional for everything else, forever, to the erasure of all else that has occurred since. My life has happened regardless of what mumsnet believes.

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It’s not in our heads, it’s in reality, and it’s not just Mumsnet.

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:46

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:44

It’s not in our heads, it’s in reality, and it’s not just Mumsnet.

Is there a sex realist fear that some trans people are able to live normal "untrans" lives?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:48

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:46

Is there a sex realist fear that some trans people are able to live normal "untrans" lives?

You’re not.

you just think you are.

you are and will always remain male, however you behave, dress or surgically and chemically alter yourself.

and the vast majority of people will see you as male.

they treat you differently to traditional males. To be kind. To not rub your nose in it.

but , they all know.

that’s ok. Be you I’m not telling you not to. Stay out of female spaces, don’t push yourself on others. Be cool. Love and let live.

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:49

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:48

You’re not.

you just think you are.

you are and will always remain male, however you behave, dress or surgically and chemically alter yourself.

and the vast majority of people will see you as male.

they treat you differently to traditional males. To be kind. To not rub your nose in it.

but , they all know.

that’s ok. Be you I’m not telling you not to. Stay out of female spaces, don’t push yourself on others. Be cool. Love and let live.

Do you feel this strongly about telling others who and what they are?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:50

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:49

Do you feel this strongly about telling others who and what they are?

I can tell a female they are female a male they are male my dog that she’s a dog, my planet that she is spherical, the universe that water is wet…..

facts are facts.

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:51

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:50

I can tell a female they are female a male they are male my dog that she’s a dog, my planet that she is spherical, the universe that water is wet…..

facts are facts.

I'm sure the females appreciate this.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:52

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:51

I'm sure the females appreciate this.

I don’t need to tell many women they are female. They all seem to have this uncanny ability to already know.

the dogs a bit thick though. I keep telling her to use her no voice on the boy dogs but….

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:53

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:52

I don’t need to tell many women they are female. They all seem to have this uncanny ability to already know.

the dogs a bit thick though. I keep telling her to use her no voice on the boy dogs but….

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Oh, I'm certain they're glad you don't need to tell them that they are female.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:53

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:53

Oh, I'm certain they're glad you don't need to tell them that they are female.

Sure in your head this came out sounding well cool.

and very lady like.

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:55

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:53

Sure in your head this came out sounding well cool.

and very lady like.

In my head, it was accompanied by an orchestra. I'm sad you missed it.

FrippEnos · 15/05/2026 19:56

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:46

Is there a sex realist fear that some trans people are able to live normal "untrans" lives?

But this ""untrans" lives" that you post about must mean that by definition that you are living a trans life and therefore be either a Trans indentifing male or a trans identifying female.

No-one really cares what life you try and live as long as you don't impose your views and remove the rights of others.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/05/2026 19:57

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:55

In my head, it was accompanied by an orchestra. I'm sad you missed it.

I’m sure there are a great deal of things that happen in your head nobody is aware of at all.

like how you seamlessly pass as a lady.

thanks for the distraction though.

this is all so tiresomely repetitive. I really want you to have your best life. Just stop bolkes going into the ladies. They don’t like it.

dinodart · 15/05/2026 20:01

if people can just identify as the opposite sex and escape all the issues associated with it, women have been extremely stupid for all of history for not just identifying as men to escape their awful situations. should have gone around telling people they were men right, that would have fixed everything I'm sure.

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:12

FrippEnos · 15/05/2026 19:56

But this ""untrans" lives" that you post about must mean that by definition that you are living a trans life and therefore be either a Trans indentifing male or a trans identifying female.

No-one really cares what life you try and live as long as you don't impose your views and remove the rights of others.

I don't identify as trans. I live. I've lived my life. I don't impose views. I am not telling anyone how to live their life or possess the power to control anyone's access to rights.

I went through a sex change process that had a beginning and an ending. Sex realists call this a 'trans identity' that sticks to a person for life. I don't control what they believe. I will play along with this on mumsnet, for the sake of conversation though.

MrsColinRobinson · 15/05/2026 20:16

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 19:55

In my head, it was accompanied by an orchestra. I'm sad you missed it.

The dead giveaway you're a man is your determination to have the last word

polypostwonder · 15/05/2026 20:17

dinodart · 15/05/2026 20:01

if people can just identify as the opposite sex and escape all the issues associated with it, women have been extremely stupid for all of history for not just identifying as men to escape their awful situations. should have gone around telling people they were men right, that would have fixed everything I'm sure.

That's the great philosophical problem with being vs doing.