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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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Devilsmommy · 27/04/2026 18:17

viques · 27/04/2026 18:13

A Neo Vaginal Pouch bears as much resemblance to a real vaginal in terms of practicality and being fit for purpose, as those plastic bags they used to put goldfish in at the fair did to a natural pond.

I know, but they seem to think that getting one makes them a woman and they need to realise that it really doesn't, even if it hurts their feelings to be told that. I'm just so sick of the constant trying to pull a gotcha from absolute bullshit. And really fucking sick of the word cis. You don't need to prefix woman with cos because we are fucking real, actual women. We don't need or want the cis in front of it🤨

CassOle · 27/04/2026 18:17

I rate the OP weak and unconvincing.

The score given upthread of 2/10 is far more generous than I think it deserves.

Dragonasaurus · 27/04/2026 18:18

OP I think you might need to link your very important brain research? The rest is just about people with DSD’s, so not really relevant to the trans debate

VictorianPlum · 27/04/2026 18:20

I know, but they seem to think that getting one makes them a woman and they need to realise that it really doesn't, even if it hurts their feelings.

From what I've heard it hurts more than feelings. A lot more. OUCH!

Dragonasaurus · 27/04/2026 18:21

Devilsmommy · 27/04/2026 18:17

I know, but they seem to think that getting one makes them a woman and they need to realise that it really doesn't, even if it hurts their feelings to be told that. I'm just so sick of the constant trying to pull a gotcha from absolute bullshit. And really fucking sick of the word cis. You don't need to prefix woman with cos because we are fucking real, actual women. We don't need or want the cis in front of it🤨

My personal favourite was one poster who believed a gynaecologist couldn’t tell the difference between his neo-vaginal pouch and the real thing. But not deluded 🙄

Dolphinnoises · 27/04/2026 18:25

It’s a funny old post though. American spelling and use of “honoring” which is a silly turn of phrase but very common in the US. Plus referring to 4th grade, which is Year 5.

But then… innit. Which is British, although they might be parodying British colloquial language?

And “dear friends” which seems weird too.

A robot? A troll? A robot troll? AI teaching itself how to start a fight?

Catsarestillflumpy · 27/04/2026 18:25

viques · 27/04/2026 18:13

A Neo Vaginal Pouch bears as much resemblance to a real vaginal in terms of practicality and being fit for purpose, as those plastic bags they used to put goldfish in at the fair did to a natural pond.

Ugh someone I work with got given a few months ‘sick leave’ to go abroad and get a fake vagina. They have to go back again as if didnt quite take properly 🤮. They’ll probably get more paid time off.

Either way. They still look like a very manly man (over 6ft, complete mans frame, jawline etc) just with a shit ton of make up on (like plastered on foundation) and a fake plastic hole. Way to go.

They’re actually a nice person. I mostly just feel sorry for them. They’ve been sold a lie

DeadBug · 27/04/2026 18:32

Are we allowed to hyphenate trans women now? Or is that just for AI?

theilltemperedamateur · 27/04/2026 18:32

Under British law, a woman is a person of any age who was registered female at birth #(including retroactive marginal corrections to the main register, if necessary to correct an error arising inter alia because of a DSD).

And a transgender woman is a person of any age who was registered male at birth, but who has a (female) 'acquired gender' for the purposes of applying for an entry in the gender recognition register. His actual sex remains as recorded in the main register.

(# Frankly, it's all about external genitalia at birth. Fewer than 1 in 10,000 entries ever need correcting.)

JustSawJohnny · 27/04/2026 18:35

I have no beef with any trans woman, unless they have done something specific to piss me off, as is the case with anyone I meet.

What I do object to is the 'feelings' of trans women (I say women because trans men do not have a history of making demands) being prioritised over the feelings of others.

In a society where, as you put it 'why on Earth wouldn't we?...' make considerations for people whose brains tell them they are women, WHY WOULDN'T WE also prioritise traumatised women in a rape centre who are too afraid to attend because male-appearing trans women are present? WHY WOULDN'T WE understand that elderly women may be upset by sharing a women' ward with a male-appearing trans person? WHY WOULDN'T WE stop women's sports being decimated by trans women? WHY WOULDN'T WE strive to understand that as a population historically oppressed and presently killed at the hands of men at the rate of 1 woman every 2 days in the UK, women MIGHT just be a tad fearful of opening safe spaces?

Babes, I mean this TRULY - if you were next to me in the loos I'm all smiles and feel free to borrow my lippy.

But please, try to have a little empathy for the sisterhood you want to join.

We've only had the vote and the right to own property for a few decades. We don't take having our rights removed lightly.

plantcomplex · 27/04/2026 18:36

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:48

And to anyone still on the fence, take a look - a proper look - at the first few responses.

Are these rational, intelligent, or inquisitive responses and a desire to engage? Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people? Or might they possibly, just possibly, appear to underline my opening post? 🤔

Do you genuinely believe that what you posted invited engagement - as opposed to being rude, aggressive and antagonistic?

Perhaps you could reflect on your communication style.

ElenOfTheWays · 27/04/2026 18:36

TheyAreLovelyLovelyPeople · 27/04/2026 17:52

Spat out my coffee at brain structures. Come ON. Our heads don't button up the back.

One of my favourite sayings - especially recently.

MsFogi · 27/04/2026 18:42

Thanks OP, really enlightening stuff. Can you clarify how one would go about honoring (sp) a transwoman as a woman?

PoachedSmoke · 27/04/2026 18:42

Oh dear, more garbled mansplaining.

A woman is an adult human female. This is the only true definition, whether you like it or not.

I couldn't care less about how you dress or perceive yourself. You do you, as they say. But do not try and make me participate in a lie.

Igneococcus · 27/04/2026 18:43

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

It seems we are when it comes to Alzheimer (loving the consistent use of the word "sex" here):
Sex Differences in Alzheimer’s Disease Revealed | Technology Networks

StopThePigeonNow · 27/04/2026 18:43

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IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 27/04/2026 18:43

I’m proudly pro-trans but I strongly suspect your post is going to fall on very deaf ears, because:

  1. It was a bit patronising, sorry to point that out.
  2. mumsnet is a bit TERF-y. Don’t know why, but it is.

Hope you have your tin hat on!

User456778976546 · 27/04/2026 18:45

Melonjuice · 27/04/2026 18:02

It definitely is about physiology though, but more so its about the female experience, being a woman isn't just about what you do on the outside of your body, What clothes you wear and how you identify, it's about the female experience, growing up female, The associated physiological changes that come with it such as puberty menstruation, perimenopause menopause dealing with female gynaecological issues, how society treats you as a woman, People not assigned female at birth. Just don't understand that no matter how much They try to understand it or learn about it. They haven't actually experienced it, Just like I would never experience what it is to be a man , even though I may want to identify as one.
Trans people are a unique group and your being should be just based on being that rather than trying to be assigned as a biological female

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Totally agree. Very well said @Melonjuice

SpecialAgentMaggieBell · 27/04/2026 18:48

🙄

SilenceInside · 27/04/2026 18:51

@IggyPopsPlasticTrousers don’t worry, the OP is set to transmit not receive, so no need for a tin hat. There will be no actual engagement whatsoever. An opening post like that doesn’t invite any genuine response because it would take far too long to go over it and respond point by point. Especially when the manner of the post already makes it clear that no response will be considered adequate apart from total agreement.

JulesJules · 27/04/2026 18:53

Parody, right? Lol

terryleather · 27/04/2026 18:54

I stopped reading at “anti-trans” if that’s any help?

terryleather · 27/04/2026 18:55

Igneococcus · 27/04/2026 18:43

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

It seems we are when it comes to Alzheimer (loving the consistent use of the word "sex" here):
Sex Differences in Alzheimer’s Disease Revealed | Technology Networks

Also heart attacks.

AnotherOneDown · 27/04/2026 18:55

From the title I thought this might be a question on whether we biological XX honest to goodness born female actual women felt like we were women in the inside. I decided I didn’t. Presumably therefore despite my XX chromosomes, boobs, and actual birthed children I am a man. Like a PP though also couldn’t work out if OP was a spoof. 🤣

GarlicFind · 27/04/2026 18:56

@HazelLemur, I'll do you the undeserved courtesy of a full reply. It's unlikely that any Mumsnetter is unfamiliar with the specious arguments you've posted - they're quite old - but just in case.

Dictionary: Definition #2 is there because lexicographers, like everyone else, have been insistently bullied by transgenderist campaigners. Someone whose livelihood was at risk if she refused to include it would most likely give in, comforting herself with a not insignificant win over 'gender assigned at birth'.

Genetics and neurophysiology: Developmental abnormalities are not gender identities. It's an irrelevance - rookie error. You also made factual errors: would you like to tell all 6 million (approx) men with Klinefelter syndrome that their brains don't recognise the penises they've been happily using, but think they have wombs and vulvas?

Brain structure: There is no section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity. There is no medical evidence at all for gender identity. It'd be great if a brain formation could, in fact, be scientifically identified as accounting for the phenomenon. Anyone feeling they have a gender identity problem could get a brain scan, be confirmed as positive/negative, and proceed accordingly. Did you not think to wonder why this isn't being done?

If you genuinely thought these were strong points, feel free to ask. We're quite patient.

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